Research article on how homosexuality and masturbation is generalised as normal human sexual behaviour but in fact is not

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Here is an interesting research article that shows the belief that the sexual behaviours like homosexuality and masturbation are a normal part of human sexuality, but in fact are not, as they are mostly the product of cultural influences like we see today in the western world and not biology.

The wide held belief in the western world that homosexuality and masturbation is a normal variant in human sexuality is actually very unusual when you look at human sexuality in the worlds population. They are people in the world and cultures where masturbation and homosexuality is almost non existant. These really proves that these behaviours are not natural, but the products of culture(sexual revolution, choices etc)

Here is the article.

jambo.africa.kyoto-u.ac.jp/kiroku/asm_normal/abstracts/pdf/31-3/107-125.pdf
 
JABA said:
Hey all.

Here is an interesting research article that shows the belief that the sexual behaviours like homosexuality and masturbation are a normal part of human sexuality, but in fact are not, as they are mostly the product of cultural influences like we see today in the western world and not biology.

The wide held belief in the western world that homosexuality and masturbation is a normal variant in human sexuality is actually very unusual when you look at human sexuality in the worlds population. They are people in the world and cultures where masturbation and homosexuality is almost non existant. These really proves that these behaviours are not natural, but the products of culture(sexual revolution, choices etc)

Here is the article.

jambo.africa.kyoto-u.ac.jp/kiroku/asm_normal/abstracts/pdf/31-3/107-125.pdf
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Do you reject the possibility that someone may, from a very young age, feel sexual attraction to someone of the same gender? Many gays testify to that feeling, which would make their sexual attraction less likely to be due to culture, and more likely due to non-cultural factors.
 
Ahimsa said:
Do you reject the possibility that someone may, from a very young age, feel sexual attraction to someone of the same gender? Many gays testify to that feeling, which would make their sexual attraction less likely to be due to culture, and more likely due to non-cultural factors.
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Yes, I do believe that this can happen, although I don’t it’s as common as we are brought to believe.

I have always wondered can homosexual tendencies be passed on genetically.
 
Ahimsa said:
Do you reject the possibility that someone may, from a very young age, feel sexual attraction to someone of the same gender? Many gays testify to that feeling, which would make their sexual attraction less likely to be due to culture, and more likely due to non-cultural factors.
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First of all, and just out of interest, did you know that calling homosexual persons ‘gays’ is not something the Church does? This is because it is reductionist, and the Church affords homosexual people the same dignity as everyone else. A dignity which stems from their humanity, and not just their sexuality.

That said, you’re right, the Church acknowledges that there are some homosexual persons “whose tendency comes from a false education, from a lack of normal sexual development, from habit, from bad example, or from other similar causes, and is transitory or at least not incurable; and homosexual persons who are definitively such because of some kind of innate instinct or a pathological constitution judged to be incurable.” (Persona Humana n. VIII).

So there are lots of variations in human sexual desires, some socialised, learned behaviour, some based on hormonal variations, some more deep-seated and fundamental. However, although human sexuality is determined on several levels, fundamentally it is a scientific fact that it is grounded in a genetic reality.
 
JABA said:
Yes, I do believe that this can happen, although I don’t it’s as common as we are brought to believe.

I have always wondered can homosexual tendencies be passed on genetically.
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😃

Not likely. Think about it…
 
Ahimsa said:
Is that in the catechism?
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No, I don’t think so. It’s something my Special Moral Theology lecturer told me whilst we were discussing this. The Church often uses very dense language and it requires some unpacking to comprehend the full nuanced meaning.
 
Ahimsa said:
Do you reject the possibility that someone may, from a very young age, feel sexual attraction to someone of the same gender? Many gays testify to that feeling, which would make their sexual attraction less likely to be due to culture, and more likely due to non-cultural factors.
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Actually, many homosexuals state or claim but hardly can be said to “testify”. Furthermore, in almost all cases, these claims are made by adults, looking back over their lives thru a prism that is anything but objective.
 
michelleds said:
Actually, many homosexuals state or claim but hardly can be said to “testify”.
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Huh? To testify: To bear witness to, or give proof of (a fact); to assert or affirm the truth of (a statement); to attest.
 
Ahimsa, You’re speaking to a lawyer in your last post. She knows what the word “testify” means, and she knows all about SSA, from the inside, I will add.
 
Ahimsa said:
Do you reject the possibility that someone may, from a very young age, feel sexual attraction to someone of the same gender? Many gays testify to that feeling, which would make their sexual attraction less likely to be due to culture, and more likely due to non-cultural factors.
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I would not reject the possibility but I would be surprised if most people experienced sexual attraction at a young age. And this would present a problem for modern morality which says that if you have a desire that desire is right and should be satisfied. It would be hard to claim pedophiles are doing something wrong if young children have a sexual desire.

Looking backwards there is always the danger of viewing the evidence in light of what you know now.
 
Ahimsa said:
Do you reject the possibility that someone may, from a very young age, feel sexual attraction to someone of the same gender? Many gays testify to that feeling, which would make their sexual attraction less likely to be due to culture, and more likely due to non-cultural factors.
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That is one explanation but not the only one. Most of a child’s personality, for example, is formed by the time he/she is three years old. There was a story not long ago about music, that musical preferences are formed at a very young age as well and they come purely from cultural exposure. So just because something is recognized or measured at a young age does not mean that it is non-cultural.

The fact that we have children who are recognizing sexual attraction **at all **when they are very young is an interesting cultural phenomenon. It may very well prove that the early sexualization of our children forces them to “orient” at an age where they are more vulnerable to disordered influences. Who knows?
 
yeah I’m a little confused by this idea of an attraction at an early age thing. I don’t remember having any kind of sexual attraction for the opposite sex until puberty. Anything before then in my opinion is just copying the behaviors that we see in our environment.
 
JABA said:
  1. Hey all.
  2. Here is an interesting research article that shows the belief that the sexual behaviours like homosexuality and masturbation are a normal part of human sexuality, but in fact are not, as they are mostly the product of cultural influences like we see today in the western world and not biology.
  3. The[re] are people in the world and cultures where masturbation and homosexuality is almost non existant.
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  1. Hey yerself.
  2. Monkeys can be seen masturbating in most any zoo. They would, I’m sure, be amused to learn that cultural influences are involved, so, since they undoubtedly find the masturbation itself amusing, they would, I guess, be amused twofold.
  3. There are people and cultures where open discussion of such matters is almost non-existant.
 
I don’t think it is odd to think that children experience sexual feelings at young ages. Their biology is not somehow set up so that is impossible, they have all the same parts, and although their hormones are somewhat less active they do go through periods of more activity. And it isn’t like they aren’t there at all.

And in the animal world it is not uncommon to see infantile sexual activity.

This doesn’t mean that pedophilia is ok though, I don’t know why anyone would say that - it is still totally inappropriate for an adult to be involved with a child that way. That is why it is illegal to have sex with a minor even with consent.

I suspect our culture does promote some sexualization of the young, but I also think we have to be realistic. Historically people often became sexually active and married in their teens, girls were often married at 13 and sometimes a bit earlier. And children were not isolated from sex. Even among the nobility in Europe, people did not have private bedrooms, and this was true up through much of the history of the settlement of the West.

I am sure that attraction in general is both biological and cultural - it is true of heterosexual and homosexual attraction, probably in varying degrees depending on the circumstances. That is why Larry King has been married so many times. But we are cultural creatures so that should be no surprise.
 
Nate13 said:
yeah I’m a little confused by this idea of an attraction at an early age thing. I don’t remember having any kind of sexual attraction for the opposite sex until puberty. Anything before then in my opinion is just copying the behaviors that we see in our environment.
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Having grown up in the dark ages, my own experience would confirm that. No one in my age cohort seems to have even heard for homosexuality until sometime late in high school. For that matter, we didn’t give much thought to sexual matters at all until puberty. But that was not a sex obsessed era.
 
davidv said:
All male-male, female-female, sexual contact is intrinsically sterile, no reproduction is possible.
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The acts are sterile, but the persons, biologically at least, are not (unless afflicted with a physical disorder rendering them sterile). I know a gay couple with natural children. They came through a previous marriage before one of them “came out”.
 
Nate13 said:
yeah I’m a little confused by this idea of an attraction at an early age thing. I don’t remember having any kind of sexual attraction for the opposite sex until puberty.
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I did, long before puberty.

To quote those prominent sexologists Wayne and Garth, it felt a lot like “climbing the rope in gym class.”

Plus, girls were very soft and cuddly.
 
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