Reserving the Eucharist?

[Claire_from_DE]

In the Latin rite this is done. What about after the Divine Liturgy, is it done? How? Under both species or only one? The DL I attend takes place in a Latin rite chapel. There is a tabernacle there with the Blessed Sacrament but the celebrant doesn’t make use of that tabernacle.

 

[bben15]

Byzantine churches have tabernacles too. They are just normally not visible to the congregation. Both species are kept in the tabernacle.

In Byzantine tradition, you receive under both species. That includes sick calls. The pyxes Byzantine priests use have two separate compartments. One is for the Body, the other is for the Blood.

 

[Zekariya]

In the Latin rite this is done. What about after the Divine Liturgy, is it done? How? Under both species or only one? The DL I attend takes place in a Latin rite chapel. There is a tabernacle there with the Blessed Sacrament but the celebrant doesn’t make use of that tabernacle.

Traditionally, Byzantine Catholics only reserve the Eucharist when it is needed for the sick and during Lent for the Presanctified Liturgy (similar to the West reserving the Eucharist for Good Friday). If there is no need, we don’t keep the Eucharist reserved. We make the sign of the Cross when walking past the altar. This done to show respect to the Gospel Book which is kept on the altar.

 

[MorEphrem]

In the Syriac Churches, it was traditional that the Reserve be used in the same manner that Zekariya mentioned. It would be kept in either a dove above the altar or a tabernacle in the sacristy. The early Syriac Fathers also make prescriptions for reserving the Blood but I think they put one day maximum cap on its reservation.

Once again, however, this is certainly not the case in the contemporary Maronite Church.

 

[shlomo3amrooh]

in the Syriac Tradition if it is reserved then only a bit of it is.

However we see latinisations even in the SOC where they now have tabernacles.

I have however, been slightly scandalised at how the Latins use tabernacles like fridges to store the Blessed Sacrament. I’ve never understood why we couldn’t just consecrate what is needed:

If there is more the priest eats the rest (or give two hosts to the parishoners)

OR

if there is a bit less he can break the host in half.

 

[WetCatechumen]

In the Syriac Churches, it was traditional that the Reserve be used in the same manner that Zekariya mentioned. It would be kept in either a dove above the altar or a tabernacle in the sacristy. The early Syriac Fathers also make prescriptions for reserving the Blood but I think they put one day maximum cap on its reservation.

Once again, however, this is certainly not the case in the contemporary Maronite Church.

I have heard horror stories from Eastern Orthodox priests who had to consume Holy Gifts that had become moldy . . .

In my parish, we basically dessicate the bread that is to be consecrated and stored in the tabernacle. Christ tastes very different at a presanctified liturgy.

 

[TheLastWord]

You say potato, i say pataato.

 

[malphono]

in the Syriac Tradition if it is reserved then only a bit of it is. …

I’ve never understood why we couldn’t just consecrate what is needed:

If there is more the priest eats the rest (or give two hosts to the parishoners)

OR

if there is a bit less he can break the host in half.

That’s the way it’s still supposed to be, but obviously those guidelines are rarely followed.

 

[malphono]

In the Syriac Churches, it was traditional that the Reserve be used in the same manner that Zekariya mentioned. It would be kept in either a dove above the altar or a tabernacle in the sacristy. The early Syriac Fathers also make prescriptions for reserving the Blood but I think they put one day maximum cap on its reservation.

Once again, however, this is certainly not the case in the contemporary Maronite Church.

The old way was for the Holy Oblation to be offered on Saturday, Sunday, and Wednesday, (plus, of course, on any major feast that fell in between), so the Eucharist was traditionally reserved only for a maximum of two days anyway.

 

[VicFerrari]

Byzantine churches have tabernacles too. They are just normally not visible to the congregation. Both species are kept in the tabernacle.

I’m not sure that’s the case. Eastern (at least Byzantine) tabernacles typically sit right on the altar mensa.

In Byzantine tradition, you receive under both species. That includes sick calls. The pyxes Byzantine priests use have two separate compartments. One is for the Body, the other is for the Blood.

 

[VicFerrari]

Byzantine churches have tabernacles too. They are just normally not visible to the congregation. Both species are kept in the tabernacle.

I’m not sure that’s the case. Eastern (at least Byzantine) tabernacles typically sit right on the altar mensa.
bben15;11433212:

In Byzantine tradition, you receive under both species. That includes sick calls. The pyxes Byzantine priests use have two separate compartments. One is for the Body, the other is for the Blood.

 

[Cavaradossi]

Byzantine churches have tabernacles too. They are just normally not visible to the congregation. Both species are kept in the tabernacle.

In Byzantine tradition, you receive under both species. That includes sick calls. The pyxes Byzantine priests use have two separate compartments. One is for the Body, the other is for the Blood.

From my understanding, the wine used is not typically consecrated, just as in the presanctified liturgy. The act of placing the body of Christ into unconsecrated wine is considered in this case, to be sufficient to consecrate the wine, according to the traditional teaching of the Chalcedonian East.

 

[prodromos]

From my understanding, the wine used is not typically consecrated, just as in the presanctified liturgy. The act of placing the body of Christ into unconsecrated wine is considered in this case, to be sufficient to consecrate the wine, according to the traditional teaching of the Chalcedonian East.

I believe that the reserved body is marked with the sign of the cross with the blood by dipping the spoon in the blood and tracing the sign of the cross with it on the body. That can then be consumed with unconsecrated wine.

 

[Cavaradossi]

I believe that the reserved body is marked with the sign of the cross with the blood by dipping the spoon in the blood and tracing the sign of the cross with it on the body. That can then be consumed with unconsecrated wine.

Yes, that is one way custom, though sprinkling the precious blood on the lamb has not always been regarded as being necessary. An old usage of the Ecumenical Patriarchate is not to add any wine to the bread. According to Patriarch Michael of Constantinople (1143-1146) in his “Report to the Emperor”, the lamb which is reserved for later use is, “set aside without any sprinkling with the Holy Blood.” And during the liturgy of the presanctified gifts, according to the same Patriarch Michael, “the Holy Bread which had been presanctified and made perfect earlier is placed into the Mystical Cup, and the wine contained in it is transformed into the Holy Blood of our Lord and is recognized as having been changed.”

Nicholas Uspensky touches on this topic in one of his essays, included in Evening Worship in the Orthodox Church (from which I have taken the above quotations).