While this is great information I do not think it applies. benroeletsgo says that he(?) is a member of the of the Orthodox-Catholic Church which is not part of any Orthodox jurisdiction.
Why in the world, with all the good holy orders out there that ARE in full communion with Rome or Constantinople, would you want to be affiliated with a group like that? I just don’t understand what good can possibly come from it, for anyone.
You don’t have valid holy orders, so there is no valid consecration of the Eucharist. It’s just another Protestant sect - what’s the point?Not to be disrespectful but… How can a Church claim a connection with the Orthodoxy but ordain women?Just to clarify a few things as there seems to be some confusion. The Orthodox-Catholic Church IS ORTHODOX. The Orthodox-Catholic Church of America (OCCA) is an independent, self-governing Orthodox jurisdiction active primarily in the United States, but with clergy in Mexico and Australia as well. It is governed by a synod of diocesan bishops (currently 11) and a metropolitan archbishop. The current Metropolitan is Archbishop Peter (Robert Zahrt). They are not in communion with the Patriarch of Constantinople and are not regarded as canonical by the rest of the Orthodox Church (mainly because of the ordination of gays and women). Just because we’re not in communion with Constantinople or Rome doesn’t make us any less important to God and our Congregants. Also, as far as I know, I’m the first of my kind to take on the Benedictine Rule in my Diocese if not in the whole of our church in the US… therefore… we have no formal monastery and thus I would be considered a solitary or hermit Benedictine… which was not uncommon in the beginning when Benedict started this all. Now that that’s out of the way and I’m certain I’ve offended at least one person in this room I’m am still in desperate need of a Habit.
In Christ,
Benjamin Christopher, Consecrated Seminarian and Acting Deacon St. Thomas Mission O.C.C.A.
Why in the world, with all the good holy orders out there that ARE in full communion with Rome or Constantinople, would you want to be affiliated with a group like that? I just don’t understand what good can possibly come from it, for anyone.
~Liza
Did you READ the OP’s description of what he’s joining - or even my post? I never said that The Orthodox Church is protestant, I said that what HE is joining is protestant. Please read carefully.The Orthodox Church is not another protestant group…John Paul 2 has said that the Eastern/Werstern churches are like both sets of lungs. They are not in communion but are not relegated to protestanism.Code:
But for ordaining women, well, THAT is like a protestant church…
I know in the Catholic that there are MAJOR canonical issues with taking vows with a religious order outside of communion with Rome. Such as a Brother/Sister can only be outside of Communion for a certain number of years without there being issues with their vows with the whatever order it is since order gets their recognition from Rome.Just to clarify a few things as there seems to be some confusion. The Orthodox-Catholic Church IS ORTHODOX. The Orthodox-Catholic Church of America (OCCA) is an independent, self-governing Orthodox jurisdiction active primarily in the United States, but with clergy in Mexico and Australia as well. It is governed by a synod of diocesan bishops (currently 11) and a metropolitan archbishop. The current Metropolitan is Archbishop Peter (Robert Zahrt). They are not in communion with the Patriarch of Constantinople and are not regarded as canonical by the rest of the Orthodox Church (mainly because of the ordination of gays and women). Just because we’re not in communion with Constantinople or Rome doesn’t make us any less important to God and our Congregants. Also, as far as I know, I’m the first of my kind to take on the Benedictine Rule in my Diocese if not in the whole of our church in the US… therefore… we have no formal monastery and thus I would be considered a solitary or hermit Benedictine… which was not uncommon in the beginning when Benedict started this all. Now that that’s out of the way and I’m certain I’ve offended at least one person in this room I’m am still in desperate need of a Habit.
In Christ,
Benjamin Christopher, Consecrated Seminarian and Acting Deacon St. Thomas Mission O.C.C.A.
Personally I don’t think we have been hateful to you - I think the people here want to make sure you understand the full scope of what it is you will be doing as your Holy Order will be at best illicit and at worst invalid. Remember callings are always confirmed by the Church - if the only place that will give you Holy Orders is one that gives Holy Orders to woman and therefore violates the Sacrament of Christ as Christ initiated it then maybe you are misunderstanding your calling. That is hateful, spiteful, or unwelcome it is the Christian truth.
We do this only because we care for the eternal wellbeing of your soul. If we truly didn’t care we wouldn’t give a rat’s behind what you did and just pointed you to a “habit store” and sent you on your merry way. But that is not what we are called to do - we are called to get each other to heaven, by any means necessary, and sometimes it’s not pretty for someone on the receiving end to hear the truth.
I have hesitated responding but I cannot hesitate anymore. You come to a CATHOLIC website, one that believes in the official Catholic Church in Rome, and voice that you are going to become a “Benedictine” in a Church outside Rome. Did you really not expect people to have some problems with that? Pope Benedict XVI and the Popes before him have warned about such groups as yours who proclaim that they are Catholic but they go against the teachings of the Catholic faith. Yours is not the only one with the problem, unfortunately. There are several independent “Catholic” churches: