Respect for the Muslims.

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I guess I can start with my own background.

I am a 15 year old girl. I am a devout Traditional Catholic. I attend a traditional Latin mass parish.

My Mother, and a select bunch of other people I know, tell me how “Muslims are doing this, doing that, they’re disrespectful, they’re terrorists, they’re going to overpopulate and there will be no more Caucasians and Christians, etc.”

But, ah, I see things a little differently. Whenever I talk about my views on Muslims with my Mother, I’m slightly scolded.

You see, I have a deep respect for Muslims. They’re peaceful and devout. There are many connections between the Muslim religion and the Christian religion. In their “Bible” they talk about Jesus, few prophets, and so on.

It very much bothers me when people ramble on about how Muslims are terrorists. I have several Muslim friends here in America that are far from what I was told all Muslims were like.

Going to a theme park, we see Muslim families walking around, enjoying the park as well. My family comments on how odd and shady it is that the women cover themselves completely. Their remarks are plain disrespectful. [This confuses me as my family, especially my mother, are very conservative in dress. My parents have raised my sisters and me to dress modestly and to avoid all senses of impurity. I would think that if anything, the way that Muslim women dress would not bother them.]

I, on the other hand, find the Muslim women’s dress preference quite refreshing. I love how they vow to respect their bodies instead of showing them off. I admire how their bodies are shown to no one but their husbands. I believe that’s how it should be! My Muslim friends have told me that they like the way they dress because when they find a husband, he’s going to appreciate them for who they are and not for what their body looks like. I love how they are proud of the way they dress, and wouldn’t break their “code of modesty” for anything. Their practices of purity are astounding.

[Although there are some Muslim women that only cover their hands during prayer–According to Catholic Church, women should have their heads covered during mass. I read a small book about it, I don’t remember the text completely, but it stated said that after Vatican II, when laws were changed it didn’t explicitly specify this rule, so women stopped wearing mantillas as they didn’t “have to” anymore.]

Moreover, although they might not think of it the same way, their good deeds and the way they strive to attain eternal paradise is quite virtuous. Their devoutness is inspiring. They are very good people, aside from the few terrorists.

I try not to be judgmental, but some of us Catholics have horrible double standards. The ones who criticize the Muslims for being terrorists are the same people who say others shouldn’t judge Catholicism for the few priests guilty of homosexuality or pedophilia.

The people I’m talking about claim they are “tolerant.” They profess that they have nothing against Muslims. That’s as far as it goes. There’s no respect. The “tolerance” is at the bare minimum. I’m disgusted by our double standards, the way we judge other religions and put ourselves on the high pedestal simply because we know the truth and they’re ignorant to it. Yes, they’re ignorant! But they don’t know that! They’re practicing what they know, which is exactly what we’re doing. We shouldn’t be so quick to belittle others. Sometimes I wonder if the priests’ homilies on humility really sink in to those who need to hear it most.

-Gess

—And just to clarify once more, I am not at all overly tolerant. [You know, the kind of people who go around tolerating every sin just because they think it’s cruel to think otherwise.] I’m just stating my respect for Muslims and my concern about other Catholic’s judgments.----
 
You see, I have a deep respect for Muslims. They’re peaceful and devout. There are many connections between the Muslim religion and the Christian religion. In their “Bible” they talk about Jesus, few prophets, and so on.
While I agree we should have more respect instead of assuming all Muslims are terrorists and evil, there aren’t quite as many connections as you might think.

On the surface yes they talk about morality and following God etc. But at their core they are entirely different. Christians believe Christ was the messiah. Some sects of the Muslim faith believe that there is no greater sin than to believe that.
 
While I agree we should have more respect instead of assuming all Muslims are terrorists and evil, there aren’t quite as many connections as you might think.

On the surface yes they talk about morality and following God etc. But at their core they are entirely different. Christians believe Christ was the messiah. Some sects of the Muslim faith believe that there is no greater sin than to believe that.
My opinion is that they are a Christian heresy. Islam is a bit like Christianity, a bit like Judaism, bits of both, all mixed up. The thing is that it doesn’t tell us anything new and it divorces faith from reason, which is why some Muslims end up trying to force their faith on others through violent means. In Islam something bad can be good, if God says so.
 
On the surface yes they talk about morality and following God etc. But at their core they are entirely different. Christians believe Christ was the messiah. Some sects of the Muslim faith believe that there is no greater sin than to believe that.
Yes, I agree. But Jehovah’s Witness don’t believe Christ is the messiah either.
 
…They are very good people, aside from the few terrorists…
How many good people do you think there are in relation to the terrorists? (I’m looking for a ratio here.)

Why, in the US for certain, but elsewhere likely also the case, are the most lethal terrorists disproportionately muslim?

If we assume that the "good people’ outweigh the terrorists in question one, what evidence can you muster to show that large numbers of muslims disagree with the aims and objectives of the terrorists?

Would you disagree that for a small number of active terrorists, there must be a larger group that shares their goals and provides support, both financially and idealogically for them to exist?

Since you are a young woman, here is a book to read written by a woman who has some experience with the societies you are describing:

amazon.com/Infidel-Ayaan-Hirsi-Ali/dp/0743289684
 
How many good people do you think there are in relation to the terrorists? (I’m looking for a ratio here.)

Why, in the US for certain, but elsewhere likely also the case, are the most lethal terrorists disproportionately muslim?

If we assume that the "good people’ outweigh the terrorists in question one, what evidence can you muster to show that large numbers of muslims disagree with the aims and objectives of the terrorists?

Would you disagree that for a small number of active terrorists, there must be a larger group that shares their goals and provides support, both financially and idealogically for them to exist?

Since you are a young woman, here is a book to read written by a woman who has some experience with the societies you are describing:

amazon.com/Infidel-Ayaan-Hirsi-Ali/dp/0743289684
Thank you for your response. This is obviously my own opinion, as all the Muslims I have met or heard of are unsupportive of the Terrorists. My perspective is molded this way because I’ve been repeatedly told that they’re discriminated for views they don’t have, and stereotypes that they don’t fit.

This is also very interesting:
loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/
 
Yes, I agree. But Jehovah’s Witness don’t believe Christ is the messiah either.
They don’t believe it’s blasphemy to believe he is though.
Thank you for your response. This is obviously my own opinion, as all the Muslims I have met or heard of are unsupportive of the Terrorists. My perspective is molded this way because I’ve been repeatedly told that they’re discriminated for views they don’t have, and stereotypes that they don’t fit.
I’m not sure anyone has any hard numbers to support whether the peaceful Muslims or extremists are in the majority but I’m glad you recognize that just because some are not all are. Way to use your God given reason 👍
 
They don’t believe it’s blasphemy to believe he is though.
Very good point.

Just the fact, though, that Muslims acknowledge Our Lord [even as just a great prophet] is something worth pointing out.
 
Very good point.

Just the fact, though, that Muslims acknowledge Our Lord [even as just a great prophet] is something worth pointing out.
Some do. Some even have a very great respect for Him. Some again believe even that acknowledgement to be blasphemy.

But, now I’m just splitting hairs. Again, I’m glad you have the open mind that you do… I wish more people in the world did but if it were enough to matter I’d start to wonder if we were still human beings. 😉
 
GessHrck,
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 I agree with you.  As Christians we should have respect for everyone regardless of their religious affliation.  Afterall, It's one of the 2 greatest commandments Jesus gave us.  The first being to love your God with your whole heart, mind, soul.  The second of course is to love your neighbor as yourself.  So even if we disagree with others doesn't mean we shouldn't love them.  If you love someone respect isn't far behind.
Peace be with you
 
GessHrck,
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 I agree with you.  As Christians we should have respect for everyone regardless of their religious affliation.  Afterall, It's one of the 2 greatest commandments Jesus gave us.  The first being to love your God with your whole heart, mind, soul.  The second of course is to love your neighbor as yourself.  So even if we disagree with others doesn't mean we shouldn't love them.  If you love someone respect isn't far behind.
Peace be with you
Well put, well put. Thanks for your response. =)
 
I think you missed my points - or perhaps you didn’t and just don’t like my questions?

loonwatch is playing with the numbers and setting up a strawman. They happily report on the islamic-inspired acts of terror as a proportion of total “incidents” and conclude that the “islamophobes” have it all wrong (and we missed the Jewish incidents as well!).

What they don’t tell you is what proportion of deaths islamic terrorism accounts for. In the US, it has been particularly deadly.

In America, the three main terrorist activities are: Islamic, ELF (environmentalists) and Puerto Rican separatists (oddly described as “Latino” by loonwatch, I might add).

By far, the most deaths have resulted from islamic terror*. ELF accounts for the most incidents, but they seem to specialize in sabotage, not murder.

You can see the FBI info below. It is for the time period 1980 to 2005. How you select the base matters tremendously, by the way. If one were to select a more recent base how do you think the numbers might look?

fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05

Who is the FBI looking for when it comes to terror? Do you think they are sterotyping somewhat?

fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists
  • The one exception here is Mr McVeigh, who was neither islamic, environmentalist nor Puerto Rican.
 
I think an obvious retort could be as much as any one would deny Christ in life(and no disrespect to muslims,we as a whole have sometimes shown to be unworthy of the fruits of the spirit of christianity).

There is an incredible amount of peace and harmony with those that actively reject Jesus as the son of God,and why would you think that is?for so would the devil have it as so, if allowed, and on such option is he so.

Our lord as you know did not come to bring peace,but suffered in life more than we probably have given thought to,so why for us is it so that we should always expect the fruits of joy,with so much suffering around us.

It is commendable to cover up,but with so much peace within, and self investment of such a dress code the old self is in a way glorified,thus comes the feelings of righteousness,which however is also not entirely wrong.

Quote;If you hate your life you may keep it.

To be holy is very hard and tiresome,to be correct is so easy, for you do have a choice, is it to please yourself i.e the devil or do you choose to please humility i.e the lord.

The latter can be so very painful and extremely hard,not to mention lonely.

Blessings…

Oh and how much would you think the devil would copy, and seem more pious,or self righteous,which is more to the point,sometimes its not easy to tell the difference,for he comes to you like the angel of light,what other way is there for him!!!

Peace be with you…
 
Of course the poster is correct and we should have an innate respect for all people and be carefull about blanket labelling people. And of course there are lots of wonderfull muslims.

But we cannot ignore the fact that we cannot believe in their religion no matter how pious their practice and we have to protect the many souls we can from falling into this heresy no matter how it is dressed up.

We have a duty to protect ourselves and our muslim citizens in the west from any risk that extremests from their ranks start to gain any ascendancy. Find any society where the muslim faith comes to dominate where the extremists dont become the dominant voice and the civil and religious freedoms of all others is damaged. Those muslims in the west should be glad they are in the west protected from the extremists in their faith.
I know there are extremest Christians but on the whole even these value freedom of religion and belief more highly than extremest muslims.

Germany was full of lovely ordinary Germans but that didn’t stop the holocast.

BUT IRRATIONAL RANTS AGAINST MUSLIMS IN GENERAL DOEST HELP ANYONE.

I know to some what i have said my seem irrational but its my opinion and as I dont live in Iran or Pakistan I’m free to make my opinion known without fear of death. 🤷
 
While I agree we should have more respect instead of assuming all Muslims are terrorists and evil, there aren’t quite as many connections as you might think.

On the surface yes they talk about morality and following God etc. But at their core they are entirely different. Christians believe Christ was the messiah. Some sects of the Muslim faith believe that there is no greater sin than to believe that.
I thought that Muslims do think that Jesus is the messiah?
 
GessHrck: I suggest that you take some time and research the Muslim intolerance and massacre of Catholics and Christians throughout a very large part of this world. This is happening right now! Generally, you can substitute the term"Christian" for Catholic in the news articles. Your brother Catholics are being tortured, raped and then slaughtered for their faith throughout Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe. This includes the priests and religious that risk their lives staying there to minister to their flocks. Then I suggest that you do a little reading about the Moslem, or Mohammedan, (as they used to be called) invasion of the Holy Land & Europe during the early Medieval years. You may, or may not, have heard of El Cid or that the Blessed Virgin Mary helped the Catholics win back their lands with the victory at the Battle of Lepanto! Once you have learned some history, you may have a slightly different stance. I am not advocating disrepect of any one. However, there have been occasions throughout history that some people “lie low” until they have the upper hand and then reveal their true identity. The Koran also does not restrict “lying” to infidels, only to the members of Islamism. You have to be able to discern truth from fraud. In order to do that, you have to know the truth which you can learn from history. I pray that this will give you some cause to do the research. It never hurts to ask God to give you the grace to know the “Truth” God bless you.
 
Of course the poster is correct and we should have an innate respect for all people and be carefull about blanket labelling people. And of course there are lots of wonderfull muslims.

But we cannot ignore the fact that we cannot believe in their religion no matter how pious their practice and we have to protect the many souls we can from falling into this heresy no matter how it is dressed up.

We have a duty to protect ourselves and our muslim citizens in the west from any risk that extremests from their ranks start to gain any ascendancy. Find any society where the muslim faith comes to dominate where the extremists dont become the dominant voice and the civil and religious freedoms of all others is damaged. Those muslims in the west should be glad they are in the west protected from the extremists in their faith.
I know there are extremest Christians but on the whole even these value freedom of religion and belief more highly than extremest muslims.

Germany was full of lovely ordinary Germans but that didn’t stop the holocast.

BUT IRRATIONAL RANTS AGAINST MUSLIMS IN GENERAL DOEST HELP ANYONE.

I know to some what i have said my seem irrational but its my opinion and as I dont live in Iran or Pakistan I’m free to make my opinion known without fear of death. 🤷
Correct!

Salutations…
 
I try not to be judgmental, but some of us Catholics have horrible double standards. The ones who criticize the Muslims for being terrorists are the same people who say others shouldn’t judge Catholicism for the few priests guilty of homosexuality or pedophilia.

-Gess
I can’t see using that line of reasoning as example for " horrible double standard." Whether or not terrorism is acceptable for the spread of islam, has two opposing opinions within the islamic community, there is only one opinion of pedophilia - it’s horribly wrong. Nowhere in Catholicism will you find such misconduct that you mentioned as acceptable, in fact those actions are unacceptable inside or outside the holy orders. So it true saying one shouldn’t judge Catholicism based on that.

On the other hand even though statically not all who claim to be muslim are terrorist, there are followers of muhammed that do use terrorism for the advancement of islam, and they claim their justification comes from the koran. While many muslims do not engage in terroristic acts themselves, imo there isn’t a strong enough denunciation of terroristic attacks against Israel and even Christians world-wide form the islamic community. (Christians suffer from persecution from islamic terrorist isn’t something very much covered or dwelt on for long in the press.) There is not only a complacency with some within the muslim community, a few muslims even rejoice over the actions of terrorist.
 
Your mother thinks true,they r trying to overpopulate and conquest the world,because they think that this world is belonging to fake arabic moon god allah,and their only aim is to rule whole earth with sharia,so they will glorify and please their ‘‘god’’.
and yes,they all are terrorists.because,even though only a small minority of them practices terrorist activites,the rest of them supports them spiritually,and i think ‘‘supporting terrorist activities while not practicing them’’ is enough to title someone ‘‘terrorist’’.there are so many verses about ‘‘jihad’’ ‘‘fighting and killing in the name of allah’’ ‘‘humiliating other monotheists,and executing atheist and polytheists’’ in their official book,ive readen it.and i think,democracy will cause its own destruction,if european people will allow and tolerate muslims to settle in their countries,and make many children,one day they will contain demographic majority and get the power,then,a greater holocaust will begin
 
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