Respect Life Reps. kick out of Catholic College

[Micael]

I have been informed that a group representing Respect Life - about to provide informative material to students at a Catholic University, were told to leave and were unwelcome to provide their information to students there in the future.

This is quite shocking as these individuals have provided similar “workshops” for secular colleges via their Catholic Campus Ministry/Student Unions. Now I ask is this not a violation of the very mission of every Catholic Institution to provide truth, and particularly a Catholic Institution of higher learning. Therefore, if it is not providing such education, and to the contrary contradicting truth…via the sin of omission is it not in essence cooperating with deception.

Should not this be reported to Church hierarchy - possibly even the Vatican if need be as this a direct contradiction of the role of the Church? Whom should this reported to?

Is this not a violation of not only local(American Church) policy, but a violation Vatican policy for a Catholic Institution?

PS: The recent decision by Notre Dame University to honor Barak Obama is also related to this issue. How can Priest, and Religious Sisters running Catholic colleges and universities be allowed to “promote” anti-Catholic Ideals and deception : in one case honoring a notorious pro-abortion politician and another by banning a group providing Catholic teaching at a Catholic University.

Thank You!

 

[RedGecko]

Do you have any additional information which you can share, such as the name of the college and why the pro-lifers were asked to leave?

 

[jpm1977]

I have been informed that a group representing Respect Life - about to provide informative material to students at a Catholic University, were told to leave and were unwelcome to provide their information to students there in the future.

This is quite shocking as these individuals have provided similar “workshops” for secular colleges via their Catholic Campus Ministry/Student Unions. Now I ask is this not a violation of the very mission of every Catholic Institution to provide truth, and particularly a Catholic Institution of higher learning. Therefore, if it is not providing such education, and to the contrary contradicting truth…via the sin of omission is it not in essence cooperating with deception.

Should not this be reported to Church hierarchy - possibly even the Vatican if need be as this a direct contradiction of the role of the Church? Whom should this reported to?

Is this not a violation of not only local(American Church) policy, but a violation Vatican policy for a Catholic Institution?

PS: The recent decision by Notre Dame University to honor Barak Obama is also related to this issue. How can Priest, and Religious Sisters running Catholic colleges and universities be allowed to “promote” anti-Catholic Ideals and deception : in one case honoring a notorious pro-abortion politician and another by banning a group providing Catholic teaching at a Catholic University.

Thank You!

Could you also provide the name of the college where this took place and when? The “I have been informed…” opening line sounds like it may have been an e-mail forward or urban legend situation.

 

[stbruno]

Without more information, nothing can be done on just heresay. If you remember last April when the Pope visited New York, he addressed Catholic colleges and university representatives. It’s obvious like Notre Dame, some just came so they could be counted but they are not practicing his recommendations or directives. More reasons to pray.

 

[Micael]

The essence of my message was the following:

*"Should not this be reported to Church hierarchy - possibly even the Vatican if need be as this a direct contradiction of the role of the Church? Whom should this reported to?

Is this not a violation of not only local(American Church) policy, but a violation Vatican policy for a Catholic Institution? "*

You see I was told this info Tuesday knight at a Church meeting by the speakers … local parish-county leaders of the Respect Life ministry. I mentioned they should report this to the Vatican, but am not sure whom they should report this to in the first place vs say the USCCB.

PS: The Obama case is rathe clear and bonafied … whom should be contacted about this. I heard the local bishop would not show up, but is that** IT!!!**. Is that the lone power and influence the local Bishop can do??? … absolutely pathetic!

 

[rpp]

I want to see some information on this. Can anyone provide a link? The OP, perhaps?

 

[Micael]

I want to see some information on this. Can anyone provide a link? The OP, perhaps?

Give me some contacts and you will be reading about it. You see these humble Respect Life representatives thought that they could do nothing about it, simply stated their hopelessness against the College(s) in the middle of a parish “Respect Life” promotion.

The issue is, ultimately I do not merely want to hear this in the Catholic media. I want to report this upstairs and truly make a difference…not simply make a lot of noise all for naught.

I personally believe this is happening much more often than we expect, as those running these so-called “Catholic” colleges could care less about the “Catholic” media…but sure do when it comes to the media of the world instead.

Hence, only when the hierarchy gets spiritually reprimanded publicly (secular news media) will they actually pay attention.

 

[rpp]

Give me some contacts and you will be reading about it. You see these humble Respect Life representatives thought that they could do nothing about it, simply stated their hopelessness against the College(s) in the middle of a parish “Respect Life” promotion.

The issue is, ultimately I do not merely want to hear this in the Catholic media. I want to report this upstairs and truly make a difference…not simply make a lot of noise all for naught.

I personally believe this is happening much more often than we expect, as those running these so-called “Catholic” colleges could care less about the “Catholic” media…but sure do when it comes to the media of the world instead.

Hence, only when the hierarchy gets spiritually reprimanded publicly (secular news media) will they actually pay attention.

You have still not provided a link or anything other than your word that tis is happening.

I find your contempt for the bishops expressed in this post quite troubling. This does not add to your credibility.

 

[Leopard]

The essence of my message was the following:

"Should not this be reported to Church hierarchy - possibly even the Vatican if need be as this a direct contradiction of the role of the Church? Whom should this reported to?..
Unless there is some definite information - Who was ejected? Who ejected them? What College? Where? When? Under what circumstances? - Then there is nothing to report to anyone. You need to fill in those blanks. Church leaders can not take action against unconfirmed rumors, which is all we have here so far.

It would be like calling the police and saying that a crime was recently committed somewhere. Based on that information, who do you expect them to arrest?

 

[Micael]

You have still not provided a link or anything other than your word that tis is happening.

I find your contempt for the bishops expressed in this post quite troubling. This does not add to your credibility.

Unfortunately, you have completely misunderstood my plea. I just desired to help a couple of sweet humble ladies dedicating their time and effort for the innocent via Respect Life…the information was provided by them (not me or a website)- hence the lack of details.

I just wanted to know if someone could help me empower them via a proper referral. I purposefully provide little about the alleged acts since that is not my goal. They never reported anything because they thought there was nothing they could do…according to your comments you are unwilling to help unless you see it in the media- if that were the case I would not be making my request in these forums.

Ironically, and fortunately I have received the material necessary from a high ranking prelate in the USCCB through other means. Though I must admit my results via these forums has been quite miserable as demonstrated by your intriguingly misconstrued commentary.

 

[Micael]

You have still not provided a link or anything other than your word that tis is happening.

I find your contempt for the bishops expressed in this post quite troubling. This does not add to your credibility.

UPDATE

You have still not provided a link or anything other than your word that tis is happening.

I find your contempt for the bishops expressed in this post quite troubling. This does not add to your credibility.
Unfortunately, you have completely misunderstood my plea. I just desired to help a couple of sweet humble ladies dedicating their time and effort for the innocent via Respect Life…the information was provided by them (not me or a website)- hence the lack of details.

I just wanted to know if someone could help me empower them via a proper referral. I purposefully provide little about the alleged acts since that is not my goal. They never reported anything because they thought there was nothing they could do…according to your comments you are unwilling to help unless you see it in the media- if that were the case I would not be making my request in these forums.

Ironically, and fortunately I have received the material necessary from a high ranking prelate in the USCCB through other means. Though I must admit my results via these forums has been quite miserable as demonstrated by your intriguingly misconstrued commentary, not to mention Leo’s below…notice he never noticed all my remarks were communicated as questions not accusations.

Perhaps I should have been more clear, stating if this is true (again I am not the person making these remarks). For that I apologize. It really stinks one must receive such commentary for merely attempting to help a couple of ladies whom thought they had no one to help them. If it were up to the y’all they would certainly be rather helpless.

 

[Leopard]

Unfortunately, you have completely misunderstood my plea. I just desired to help a couple of sweet humble ladies dedicating their time and effort for the innocent via Respect Life…the information was provided by them (not me or a website)- hence the lack of details.

I just wanted to know if someone could help me empower them via a proper referral. I purposefully provide little about the alleged acts since that is not my goal. They never reported anything because they thought there was nothing they could do…according to your comments you are unwilling to help unless you see it in the media- if that were the case I would not be making my request in these forums…

Okay, if you do have specific issues to report that’s different. The first place to report a grievance would be the college itself. If a request to the president’s office for an explanation and action, if appropriate, did not yield satisfactory results, then you would go to the Ordinary Bishop in whose diocese the the college campus is in which the alleged offense occured. If the college is operated by a religious community you could also go to the provincial/regional superior of that order.

If there is no response from the Ordinary, you could then go to the USCCB if the college is in the US or another national bishops’ council if the college is not. It is important to note that such councils do not actually have the authority to overrule the decisions bishops make regarding the governance of their own dioceses, but I would still report to them before going farther up the ladder. Who knows, they might be able to help you.

After that, if there is still no satisfactory response, you could go to Rome. I do not know who exactly you would take your grievance to there, but it might not matter if you can get this answered sooner on a more local level. Ask again when the appeals to the local authorities have been exhausted.

…Ironically, and fortunately I have received the material necessary from a high ranking prelate in the USCCB through other means. Though I must admit my results via these forums has been quite miserable as demonstrated by your intriguingly misconstrued commentary.

Watch it! As a courtesy to you I have spent my own time trying to answer your question as you asked it even though you neglected to include necessary information. I do not expect gratitude from strangers, but I do not think it unreasonable for you to refrain from characterizing my efforts to help you as miserable or intriguingly misconstrued.

Good night, and I hope your efforts to find an answer to your concerns are successful.

 

[Micael]

Excellent response Leopard, I will inform these kind ladies.

May God bless you!