Responding in Latin at NO Mass

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I am curious to see what the opinions are about responding at Mass quietly in Latin (when the Mass is said in English). I have started doing this mainly because I feel more reverent by doing so. I am not a big fan of the ICEL’s translation in many parts of the Mass, so I feel that this keeps me truer to the intent since Latin is the normative language of the Mass and since all other translations come from this… basically, it feels more original and more pure to me, if that makes sense. I don’t do it to make a statement (although I would not mind if others did hear me) … I do it to make me feel closer to Christ. Does anyone else do this?

Thanks!!
 
RomanRevert said:
I am curious to see what the opinions are about responding at Mass quietly in Latin (when the Mass is said in English). I have started doing this mainly because I feel more reverent by doing so. I am not a big fan of the ICEL’s translation in many parts of the Mass, so I feel that this keeps me truer to the intent since Latin is the normative language of the Mass and since all other translations come from this… basically, it feels more original and more pure to me, if that makes sense. I don’t do it to make a statement (although I would not mind if others did hear me) … I do it to make me feel closer to Christ. Does anyone else do this?

Thanks!!
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Yes many do and it is entirely proper that you do so. The entire Mass is composed in Latin and translated into the various vernacular tongues. Every single Mass celebrated worldwide can, and in opinion, should be celebrated in Latin. You can certainly respond in Latin when that is the proper response to begin with.
 
By the way, you’re only about a year and a half away from a vastly improved English translation of the Mass, courtesy of our friends at Vox Clara.
 
Hi,
Perhaps you might consider if it would be distracting to others around you? What if everyone decided to pray aloud in a different language at the same time? Oh wait, that already happened, didn’t it? 😃
 
Seeker1963 said:
Hi,
Perhaps you might consider if it would be distracting to others around you? What if everyone decided to pray aloud in a different language at the same time? Oh wait, that already happened, didn’t it? 😃
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hahaha! True …
 
Perhaps you could respond silently so you wouldn’t bother those around you. I was brought up when Latin was the norm and our prayer books had English on one side and Latin on the other. Oh, for the good old days!
 
pigtown said:
Perhaps you could respond silently so you wouldn’t bother those around you. I was brought up when Latin was the norm and our prayer books had English on one side and Latin on the other. Oh, for the good old days!
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I do respond quietly … I don’t want it to seem as though I am doing it to make a point or disturb others around me. I just wanted to see if anyone else was doing this or what their thoughts were about it. I have wondered if it was OK and so I just wanted to get some other perspectives. Thanks.
 
I am sorry, I do not agree. Your responses should be in the vernacular of the area. Why, then you making progress in participating fully in the mass.
Does language make a difference? No not really, but the church is not a buffet line, you can not pick and choose the rites, or the responses that you want just because you want them. We must keep the mass and all the component parts true. These are the decisions of Rome and the Pontiff.
There are things I do not agree with, but I am not the Pope either. As Catholics we owe obedience to the decisions of Rome in regard to Faith and morals.
“You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church…what ever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven…”
think about it…
God Bless,
Papa;)
 
Dunno. I often catch myself mixing English, Latin and Spanish in my responses during NO Masses in those languages. My friends at the Maronite parish are not offended when I quietly use Latin while they are using Aramaic, in fact sometimes I think the priest is mildly amused.
To the poster who suggests that one respond in the vernacular of the place, this is not always possible if one is traveling and is not conversant in the local tongue. That’s a good argument for wider use of the Latin in the Mass, isn’t it?
 
papafite said:
I am sorry, I do not agree. Your responses should be in the vernacular of the area. Why, then you making progress in participating fully in the mass.
Does language make a difference? No not really, but the church is not a buffet line, you can not pick and choose the rites, or the responses that you want just because you want them. We must keep the mass and all the component parts true. These are the decisions of Rome and the Pontiff.
There are things I do not agree with, but I am not the Pope either. As Catholics we owe obedience to the decisions of Rome in regard to Faith and morals.
“You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church…what ever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven…”
think about it…
God Bless,
Papa;)
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But aren’t the responses in Latin saying the same thing as one would say in English? If so, why should it matter? Where’s proof that one must speak in the vernacular being used? What if you are traveling and do not speak the local language well enough to know the responses? If this is so wrong, must one go to confession over this?

I’m a gonna be convert, I don’t know Latin yet, so these are just some questions that popped into my mind.
 
homewardbound said:
But aren’t the responses in Latin saying the same thing as one would say in English? If so, why should it matter? Where’s proof that one must speak in the vernacular being used? What if you are traveling and do not speak the local language well enough to know the responses? If this is so wrong, must one go to confession over this?

I’m a gonna be convert, I don’t know Latin yet, so these are just some questions that popped into my mind.
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The point is this; if you are attending a Latin Mass then respond in Latin, if you are attending a Spanish Mass then respond in Spanish. But if you are deliberately responding in Latin to a/an English language Mass, to prove a point or because you don’t agree with the decisions of the church, then theres a problem.
We are the church, our voices joined together in prayer and song, all of us willfully praising Christ for his sacrifice on the cross, opening our hearts and minds to God…what a prayer that is…it is a glorious response of faith, love and commitment.
Isn’t that why we are at mass? We are thanking Christ for dying so that we as his adopted brothers and sisters will one day be in heaven with God.
To me, that prayer of the heart, is worth more than any point or disagreement I may have…

Thats all I am saying…

God love ya;)
Papa
 
papafite said:
The point is this; if you are attending a Latin Mass then respond in Latin, if you are attending a Spanish Mass then respond in Spanish. But if you are deliberately responding in Latin to a/an English language Mass, to prove a point or because you don’t agree with the decisions of the church, then theres a problem.
We are the church, our voices joined together in prayer and song, all of us willfully praising Christ for his sacrifice on the cross, opening our hearts and minds to God…what a prayer that is…it is a glorious response of faith, love and commitment.
Isn’t that why we are at mass? We are thanking Christ for dying so that we as his adopted brothers and sisters will one day be in heaven with God.
To me, that prayer of the heart, is worth more than any point or disagreement I may have…

Thats all I am saying…

God love ya;)
Papa
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I understand that. And I do agree, one should not do so just to make a point or because they disagree. The OP said however that they say things silently in Latin because it makes them feel more reverent and helps them personally to feel closer to God. In your opinion, is this still wrong?
 
If you are asking if it is a sin…No I don’t think so…
We respond as a single people. We proclaim Christ our Savior as a single voice. If you can’t speak the language then make the responses in your native tongue silently.
But you see this is not the case here.
Many people feel the church made a mistake in changing the language of the mass from Latin to the local vernacular. So in response they will respond in Latin. Is this full and willing participation in the Mass. How fully are you participating when you respond in Latin. Your not.
I understand the sentiment that it makes them feel more pious or holy, the mass is not about our feelings. The mass is about thanking God that He sent His only begotten Son to suffer and die in a most horrible way so that we could be one in heaven.
If you want feelings, open fully your heart, open your mind, allow Christ to fill you with the Holy Spirit, be one with God…thats some good feelings…

May the peace and love of Christ be with us all…

Papa 🙂
 
The proper translation of the NOM in english will be released soon, which I think corresponds to the real translation of the 1970 Roman rite. Aside from the proper translation I hope each Catholic Church in America follow the new altar set-up in the Vatican Basilica of St. Peter. Three candlesticks on each side of the altar and a crucifix in the middle like TLM style but ad populum.
Here is the link: vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/photogallery/2007/05112007/index.html

Pax
Laudater Jesus Christus
Instaurare omnia in Christo
 
Though I normally go to the Traditional Latin Mass, and though I too think the English translation is banal and BAD, I think this is a bad idea. The only reason I think it is something to do with unity, and the communion/community of those gathered in the Church. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but it is the same reason why I will receive the Precious Blood, and I will go up to EMHCs and why I will also–at times–receive on the hand where circumstances do not lend themselves otherwise.
 
RomanRevert said:
I am I have started doing this mainly because I feel more reverent by doing so. I am not a big fan of the ICEL’s translation in many parts of the Mass, so I feel that this keeps me truer to the intent since Latin is the normative language of the Mass and since all other translations come from this… basically, it feels more original and more pure to me,!!
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that is a legitimate matter for discussion, but in rejecting the NO in all or part (as directed in the GIRM and rubrics, not with abuses and accretions) and the translation accepted by the bishops and Rome, we are setting ourselves up against their authority.

that being said, there is nothing wrong per se in making the responses in Latin any more than I am wrong responding in English when I am attending the Spanish Mass and don’t have a missalette at hand. If we do so to “make a statement” I suggest that we examine our motives for so doing.

In our parish you will be making some responses in Latin, including the sung parts, during Advent and Lent, at both the Spanish and English Masses.
 
Does language make a difference? No not really
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Hey, are you guys listening to yourselves? Language doesn’t matter as long as it’s in your vernacular? What kind of consistency is this?

I’m sorry but I see a lot of self-serving motives in these types of arguments. If people took the liturgy seriously, they would learn what was promulgated in that language, not what was translated by some political committee for them. No wonder we have wars.
 
papafite said:
If you are asking if it is a sin…No I don’t think so…
We respond as a single people. We proclaim Christ our Savior as a single voice. If you can’t speak the language then make the responses in your native tongue silently.
But you see this is not the case here.
Many people feel the church made a mistake in changing the language of the mass from Latin to the local vernacular. So in response they will respond in Latin. Is this full and willing participation in the Mass. How fully are you participating when you respond in Latin. Your not.
I understand the sentiment that it makes them feel more pious or holy, the mass is not about our feelings. The mass is about thanking God that He sent His only begotten Son to suffer and die in a most horrible way so that we could be one in heaven.
If you want feelings, open fully your heart, open your mind, allow Christ to fill you with the Holy Spirit, be one with God…thats some good feelings…

May the peace and love of Christ be with us all…

Papa 🙂
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I hate to tell you this Papa. but the OFFICIAL version of the Mass **IS **in Latin. By responding in Latin, you are responding in the language that the Mass is written in. How can that be wrong? It can’t.
 
<<Every single Mass celebrated worldwide can, and in opinion, should be celebrated in Latin.>>

Even Eastern Catholic Liturgies?
 
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