Response to gay marriage video?

[Awful_Things]

Although the level of conversation was great in the beginning it detonated below a level I am willing to engage.

This excuse for leaving the conversation has been used twice now for advocates for gay rights. Both of these individuals were the ones who resorted to name-calling. Hmm.

Asking if there was a relationship between the negative feelings towards gay marriage is only offensive if it stroke a nerve of true we are unwilling to acknowledge. Forcing other people to follow our faith or be financially or legally disadvantaged if they don’t is an abuse of our majority status in this country.

You know full well that my argument with you had nothing to do with making others follow my faith. I went out of my way to stay secular. Using red herrings like this because you don’t know how to defend your position is only going to “detonate” the conversation.

We will have only ourselves to blame when our religious freedom is taken away.

No, we’ll have gay rights advocates to blame.

We cannot be intolerant now and then complain later that people are intolerant towards us because we are the different ones now.

Kind of works both ways.

Sound like people justifying racism because there is reverse racism. After 100 years of slavery followed by another 100 of civil rights denied followed by a level of racism that did not allow interracial marriages in Alabama until November of 2000, why would those people be mad or suspicious. Enough already don’t you know it has being almost 50 years of civil rights (8 if you consider Alabama) should you not “get over it” already? It is very intolerant of us now to camplaint that they are being intolerant. It is much easier to say it is their falt now. They are the intolerant ones.

Um … okay? Not sure what this one’s about.

I am not homophobic

More name calling.

I am just willing to deny the protection of the law to a group of people I don’t understand or don’t agree with or believe sinful. It does not matter that these people are having the same functioning society as parents, they live in sin, and although they don’t believe in the same things they need to abide by the same rules.

Again, I was making secular arguments. You can’t answer them, so your only defence is to resort to red herrings.

Is this country homophobic? Yes,

More name calling.

Farwell (not a Catholic, we are better that that, Thanks be to God!) once said

This is a bit judgemental, don’t you think.

My intention was not to be offensive but to offer an insight for reflex ion.

Odd, because it comes off as offensive.

The same Jesus that asked me to not cast the first stone to spare a prostitute we would have no problems sending to prison today. Who explained to me why I should not judge,

But you do judge. You’ve already cast a stone against the church by threatening to leave.

Perhaps He create people with great diversity, race, sexual orientation, same health, some mentally disabled to verify our compassion.

Or perhaps original sin had something to do with some of it.

Is homosexuality a sin, probably,

Homosexual acts? Definitely.

but I believe He will come to judge the living and the dead, and I believe He is more qualified to do so.

Why are you turnin this into a religious argument? Didn’t you want to keep it secular?

I know that all this different people, black, white, gay, strait, sick and health are my brothers and sisters. When judgment day comes and God asks me: I made you perfect and whole, how did you use it to help my sons and daughters? Did you do upon other as you would wish it done on you? Did you forgive the trespasses of others? I will say I try to defend my brothers and sisters.
If I was that gay woman mother of 5 disabled children I would not want to lose my house, or to live without my spouse social security. So I will not use the bible to cause that to happen to her either. She may be sinful, not my call.

Actually, it is your call to identify sin and steer others from it. God tells us this in Scripture.

While on earth I will defend gay rights, work with prostitutes, and anyone who needs me. I lost count of how many pancake breakfasts I cooked for fundraising.

I’m sure your canonization process will be swift.

On judgement day hope to be able to say: Sir I tryied.

Wow, quite a rant, and all without answering any of the objections to your earlier posts.

We all tried to steer you to the truth. At least on judgement day, we will be able to say, “Sir, I tried.”

 

[AveSantaMaria]

Begging the Mercy and Love of God in this post!

From Archbishop Oscar Romero’s The Violence of Love
To those who want to defend gay marriage
A preaching that does not point out sin
is not the preaching of the gospel.
A preaching that makes sinners feel good,
so that they become entrenched in their sinful state,
betrays the gospel’s call.
A preaching that does not discomfit sinners
but lulls them in their sin
leaves Zebulun and Naphtali
in the shadow of death.

A preaching that awakens,
a preaching that enlightens -
as when a light turned on
awakens and of course annoys a sleeper -
that is the preaching of Christ, calling:
Wake up! Be converted!
That is the church’s authentic preaching.
Naturally, such preaching must meet conflict,
must spoil what is miscalled prestige,
must disturb,
must be persecuted.
It cannot get along with the powers of darkness and sin.
Jaunary 22, 1978

To those who disrespect gay people
The guarantee of one’s prayer
is not in saying a lot of words.
The guarantee of one’s petition is very easy to know:
how do I treat the poor?
The degree to which you approach them,
and the love with which you approach them,
or the scorn with which you approach them -
that is how you approach your God.
What you do to them, you do to God.
The way you look at them is the way you look at God.
February 5, 1978

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world!

O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

 

[iamme]

Civil unions do not happen in a church, and they are not sacramental.

i agree.
i also think that no marraige should be recognized by the government, and that they should only recoginize civil unions for everyone, ensuring the same rights for all, as well as letting the religious keep their marriages to themselves.

 

[LeroyCRHP]

I think that has been the case already and civil unions were called a marriage. I think it is a same sex marriage by a different name.

Is this like Catholic hospitals will never be required to perform abortions? THeir is always an attempt to move the boundary of what is right.

Calling a civil union a marriage doesn’t make it so, and never will.

As for the Church being forced to marry gays, that’s poppycock. Under the first amendment, that will never happen in the United States, nor any country that has any sort of separation of church and state. It won’t happen in countries that do not have separation of church and state either, as those countries tend to be rather Draconian. So basically, it won’t happen.

I find it very telling that you use the term “Liberal.” There are many Liberal positions that are in perfect accordance with orthodox Church teaching. By using “Liberal” versus “Conservative” rhetoric, you’re politicizing an issue that is chiefly moral.

 

[iamme]

I think that has been the case already and civil unions were called a marriage. I think it is a same sex marriage by a different name.

Is this like Catholic hospitals will never be required to perform abortions? THeir is always an attempt to move the boundary of what is right.

its really not the same thing, and never was. one has less benefits, the other has more.

as for the catholic hospital thing, i was ecstatic to hear the government ceased funding on one of them because they refused to adminster ru48 (did i get right) based on their religious beliefs, because you cant have your cake and eat it too… youre either a public institution, or youre not.