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MT greetings my debating partner. Blessings to you sir.
You, again, impose ideas not actually found in the passages you site. In other words you have “read into these passages” with ideas, you may have learned somewhere else, but not in Mt. 16. Instead of extracting the actual information to form your conclusions, you bloviate in my humble opinion.
For example: you said, "… Jesus gave St. Peter the keys which signifies his role as the Chief Steward/Vicar to the King. The job of the Vicar is to make authoritative decisions, binding on the kingdom, in the absence of the King. See Matthew 16.
It’s funny because when I go to Matthew 16, I DO find some of what you said, but I do not find ALL of what you said, it said. It is true Christ told Peter He would give him the “keys of the kingdom of heaven…” v19. But the part about him being the Chief Steward/Vicar to the King, was not in the inspired scripture. So you added it.
Actually, Jesus did not expound on what the keys meant, or what it meant to receive the keys of the kingdom, at least not from this one passage.
This forces us to find other like passages to hopefully glean more information. Luke 11:52 comes to mind. Similar but not exactly the same, Jesus said, "Woe to you lawyers, for you have taken away the KEY of knowledge. You did not enter yourselves and you hindered those who were entering. The passage is incredibly similar to Mt. 23 where Jesus said, “But woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for you shut the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.” Mt. 23:13.
Wouldn’t it be more honest to say that Jesus gave Peter the keys to unlock the divine knowledge of God’s ways? At the same time we cannot say that Peter was the only one to receive this knowledge. Mt. 16 uses Peter as a point of teaching but does not imply anywhere in the passage that Peter was singled out. If so, please point that out to me.
The Pharisees, who were the elite theologians of Jesus day, were actually taking away knowledge from God’s people so that they could not enter the ways of the King. Why would they do that? So that they could have leverage and control over the people.
This whole thing about becoming a Vicar is simply your imposed idea my friend.
You also said,
The shepherd, the one in charge, is the one who feeds and tends the sheep. When Jesus gave this command to St. Peter and no other it is here that Jesus made St. Peter the visible head of the Sheep, which would include the other Apostles.
This whole thing about Peter becoming the visible head of the sheep is a half-truth. And of course you know that a half truth is a whole lie. Not to say that you are lying MT, I don’t believe that for a moment. But simply not convincing.
You, again, impose ideas not actually found in the passages you site. In other words you have “read into these passages” with ideas, you may have learned somewhere else, but not in Mt. 16. Instead of extracting the actual information to form your conclusions, you bloviate in my humble opinion.
For example: you said, "… Jesus gave St. Peter the keys which signifies his role as the Chief Steward/Vicar to the King. The job of the Vicar is to make authoritative decisions, binding on the kingdom, in the absence of the King. See Matthew 16.
It’s funny because when I go to Matthew 16, I DO find some of what you said, but I do not find ALL of what you said, it said. It is true Christ told Peter He would give him the “keys of the kingdom of heaven…” v19. But the part about him being the Chief Steward/Vicar to the King, was not in the inspired scripture. So you added it.
Actually, Jesus did not expound on what the keys meant, or what it meant to receive the keys of the kingdom, at least not from this one passage.
This forces us to find other like passages to hopefully glean more information. Luke 11:52 comes to mind. Similar but not exactly the same, Jesus said, "Woe to you lawyers, for you have taken away the KEY of knowledge. You did not enter yourselves and you hindered those who were entering. The passage is incredibly similar to Mt. 23 where Jesus said, “But woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for you shut the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.” Mt. 23:13.
Wouldn’t it be more honest to say that Jesus gave Peter the keys to unlock the divine knowledge of God’s ways? At the same time we cannot say that Peter was the only one to receive this knowledge. Mt. 16 uses Peter as a point of teaching but does not imply anywhere in the passage that Peter was singled out. If so, please point that out to me.
The Pharisees, who were the elite theologians of Jesus day, were actually taking away knowledge from God’s people so that they could not enter the ways of the King. Why would they do that? So that they could have leverage and control over the people.
This whole thing about becoming a Vicar is simply your imposed idea my friend.
You also said,
The shepherd, the one in charge, is the one who feeds and tends the sheep. When Jesus gave this command to St. Peter and no other it is here that Jesus made St. Peter the visible head of the Sheep, which would include the other Apostles.
This whole thing about Peter becoming the visible head of the sheep is a half-truth. And of course you know that a half truth is a whole lie. Not to say that you are lying MT, I don’t believe that for a moment. But simply not convincing.
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