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Mini_gerbel
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so its a sin to go to grocery store on Sunday. because your making them work? or any business requiring people?
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Sr_Sally
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Nope. The folks working at the grocery store could be of another faith that doesn’t celebrate their sabbath on Sunday, or of no faith at all.
The goal is to spend your time with God not running your errands. So to the best of your ability, you plan your week so that you don’t have to go to the store (or do laundry, or finish your homework, etc) on a Sunday.
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Mini_gerbel
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so i plan not to go grocery. but it ok if i do?
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Mini_gerbel
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is it a sin or not?
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jmcrae
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What do the Scriptures tell us? Exodus 20:8-10 says, "Remember that thou keep holy the sabbath day. Six days shalt thou labour, and shalt do all thy works. But on the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: thou shalt do no work on it, thou nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy beast, nor the stranger that is within thy gates.
Thou shalt do no work in it - this means that we complete our daily duties, including shopping for our needs, during the six days in which we work.
thou nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy beast, nor the stranger that is within thy gates. - the shopkeepers may well be of some other religion, or of no religion at all, but God tells us here that we don’t make anyone work on the Sabbath - not the beasts (who don’t practice any religion), and not the strangers (we don’t know what, if any religion a stranger practices, since he is a stranger), and not the servants within the house (most likely people from other countries who are just making their new start, here - in Moses’ time, they would have been slaves, captured during various tribal raids).
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Mini_gerbel
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“thx for quick awnsers”
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Andruschak
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Well, yes, but I was informed in RCIA that we do not pay attention to the Mosaic Law, that Christ superceded it. We do have the 10 Commandments, and I was informed we should avoid UNNECCESARY work. But what is unnecessary to one person may be required for another.
Mother Mary probably had to change Jesus’s diapers on the Sabbath, and perhaps launder them. I scoop out my childrens’ 8 litter boxes every day. On Sundays, I scrub down one or two and refill them with fresh, clean litter.
I also go to AA on Sunday nights.
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LilyM
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From the CCC:
"2185 On Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to God, the joy proper to the Lord’s Day, the performance of the works of mercy, and the appropriate relaxation of mind and body.123 Family needs or important social service can legitimately excuse from the obligation of Sunday rest. The faithful should see to it that legitimate excuses do not lead to habits prejudicial to religion, family life, and health.
The charity of truth seeks holy leisure- the necessity of charity accepts just work.124"
So just what do these family needs refer to? Certainly if one is obliged to work on Sundays to support oneself or one’s family that’s fine.
Interesting is the phrase ‘appropriate relaxation of mind and body’. I’d like to know one can appropriately relax on a Sunday if the house is a mess because the housework is skipped, or if there’s no food on the table because no-one buys or cooks it.
How can one relax if one worries about unpaid and overdue bills that work on Sunday could help take care of? Or even simply if one becomes overworked and overstressed trying to get everything done in six days?
Above all, remember Jesus’ words that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. It’s a warning against the attitude of the Pharisees, who in their zeal for strict letter-observance of the Sabbath missed its point entirely, and wrongly criticised Jesus for picking corn or healing the sick.
With the one exception of the requisite Church attendance and at least more-than-average amount of time spent in prayer, spiritual reading and so forth, what you choose to do or not do on Sunday is a matter for individual reflection and discernment.
"2185 On Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to God, the joy proper to the Lord’s Day, the performance of the works of mercy, and the appropriate relaxation of mind and body.123 Family needs or important social service can legitimately excuse from the obligation of Sunday rest. The faithful should see to it that legitimate excuses do not lead to habits prejudicial to religion, family life, and health.
The charity of truth seeks holy leisure- the necessity of charity accepts just work.124"
So just what do these family needs refer to? Certainly if one is obliged to work on Sundays to support oneself or one’s family that’s fine.
Interesting is the phrase ‘appropriate relaxation of mind and body’. I’d like to know one can appropriately relax on a Sunday if the house is a mess because the housework is skipped, or if there’s no food on the table because no-one buys or cooks it.
How can one relax if one worries about unpaid and overdue bills that work on Sunday could help take care of? Or even simply if one becomes overworked and overstressed trying to get everything done in six days?
Above all, remember Jesus’ words that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. It’s a warning against the attitude of the Pharisees, who in their zeal for strict letter-observance of the Sabbath missed its point entirely, and wrongly criticised Jesus for picking corn or healing the sick.
With the one exception of the requisite Church attendance and at least more-than-average amount of time spent in prayer, spiritual reading and so forth, what you choose to do or not do on Sunday is a matter for individual reflection and discernment.
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Joannm
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I work on Sunday…at the church. If I told my pastor that I refused to work on Sunday because it is the Lord’s Day or because it is forbiddem in the bible then I would not have a job, as it is in my job description to work on Sundays, as it is for several of our staff.
When my husband was a police officer he worked on Sundays. My daughter as a waitress often worked on Sundays, so many good Catholics would be able to go out to dinner with family.
I don’t think the Church is so strict on the no work rule given that there are no longer Blue Laws. Many businesses are open and if their employees do not work, they lose their jobs.
When my husband was a police officer he worked on Sundays. My daughter as a waitress often worked on Sundays, so many good Catholics would be able to go out to dinner with family.
I don’t think the Church is so strict on the no work rule given that there are no longer Blue Laws. Many businesses are open and if their employees do not work, they lose their jobs.
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puzzleannie
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no as answered, not a sinis it a sin or not?
what is a sin is failing to observe God’s commandment to dedicate a day to him, to rest from servile work, to worship him as Jesus ordained, and to honor him. you are not responsible for anyone else’s decisions on what to do on Sunday.
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jmcrae
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How did they do it back when Sunday was legally a day off work, and there were no grocery stores open, or banks, or much of anything else, other than churches, fire stations, police stations, and hospitals?
I remember when our local convenience store first began to open for five hours on a Sunday, and my mother telling me, “You don’t go there on a Sunday unless it’s an emergency - something you need to have, that you can’t do without until Monday, like over the counter medicine, or feminine hygiene products, or toilet paper.” I’ve always tried to keep that in mind.
My mother and my father both worked - they were running their own business, and they were just as busy as anybody is, today - yet, my mother managed to get all the shopping and banking done by Saturday, and the house was always neat and tidy. (My father thought that all that stuff was “women’s work” - he didn’t help out much. He did stay later at the office than she did, though.)
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Sr_Sally
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Really good point. Personally, I think part of it is that your mom probably didn’t run you all over town on Saturday for sports and special lessons! I know my mom didn’t. Of course there wasn’t the TV, video games, internet time going on there is now either. It’s really a matter of prioritization.How did they do it back when Sunday was legally a day off work, and there were no grocery stores open, or banks, or much of anything else, other than churches, fire stations, police stations, and hospitals?
I remember when our local convenience store first began to open for five hours on a Sunday, and my mother telling me, “You don’t go there on a Sunday unless it’s an emergency - something you need to have, that you can’t do without until Monday, like over the counter medicine, or feminine hygiene products, or toilet paper.” I’ve always tried to keep that in mind.
My mother and my father both worked - they were running their own business, and they were just as busy as anybody is, today - yet, my mother managed to get all the shopping and banking done by Saturday, and the house was always neat and tidy. (My father thought that all that stuff was “women’s work” - he didn’t help out much. He did stay later at the office than she did, though.)
A priest friend once told me that there is also an element of humility in keeping the Sabbath. It helps us understand that even when we are going, buying, working, running the world still stays in orbit!
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jmcrae
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No, she didn’t. I had basketball on Mondays and brownies/girl guides on Wednesdays; my brother had cubs/scouts on Tuesdays, and hockey on Thursdays. For a short period of time, we took French classes on Saturday mornings, but it was early enough to get back in plenty of time to finish the shopping and the housework. Other than the French classes, which were in a different neighborhood, we walked to our activities. It wasn’t far - the community centre was about two or three blocks away from our house.
That’s a good point - a lot of our time gets sucked into all the little screens around the house, these days. I don’t remember watching much television when I was a kid - we liked Star Trek, but that was about it. And if we wanted a book, we walked to the public library.
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Mini_gerbel
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so what do we refrain from on the sabbath? if we can work and go to the store what in the world is it there for
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Mini_gerbel
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whats the churchs teaching. catechism would be helpfulso what do we refrain from on the sabbath? if we can work and go to the store what in the world is it there for
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Sr_Sally
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I think we’ve answered this question. You even got the CCC answer in Lily’s post. I’m not sure what else you are looking for?
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Mini_gerbel
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oh silly me. i missed it a little my bad
so we can go grocery shoping though then right? i think that means that
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LilyM
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If you forgot to stock up on milk or bread or whatever, and need it on a Sunday, or want to get the newspaper, of course.oh silly me. i missed it a little my bad
so we can go grocery shoping though then right? i think that means that
If you have no time on any other day of the week to do any shopping, maybe more. Preferably not if it can be helped.
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