Restoration of Papal Tiara?

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Could a Pope reinstate the papal tiara if he so desired and have a coronation mass as opposed to what occurs now? I don’t want to debate the implications of such a thing, but rather if it simply could be done.

edit I also find it interesting that Paul VI asked for his successors to continue the coronation rite…
 
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That’s what i thought as well… I wonder i he would take back the one at the National Basilica, or use one that’s in the Vatican currently…
 
I’m sure it could be done, but given an understanding of what people today are dealing with, it’s unlikely that the papacy would choose to display extravagant wealth.
 
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I don’t want to debate the implications of such a thing, but rather if it simply could be done
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I’m not addressing implications, only citing that there would be. You didn’t ask specifically if it were “legally permitted” you asked if it could be done. “Can” is very open-ended.

Legalistically, yes, it can be done.

Socially, no, not really…it wouldn’t be possible to reinstate the Papal Tiara without a fair amount of social and ethical challenges.

So the answer is two-fold. There is nothing stopping the Papacy from retaking this tradition in the scope of the law. However, there are many other reasons besides legal ones that create a scenerio of virtual impossibility.
 
oh, certainly. the Church and the world have changed exponentially since Paul VI took off the tiara and placed it on the altar of St. Peter’s.
 
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That’s what i thought as well… I wonder i he would take back the one at the National Basilica, or use one that’s in the Vatican currently…
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There’s one at the University of Notre Dame as well. It belonged to Pius IX.

Any pope could bring it back into use.

It would not necessarily require having a “coronation” as opposed to an “inaugural” (meaning simply “beginning”). All that would be required would be for a pope to simply put one on his head the same way he dons a typical mitre. He already holds the office, so it isn’t necessary for anyone to place the symbol of the office on his head.

I cannot imagine anyone wanting to wear the last one worn by Bl Paul VI. No wonder he set it down and walked away.
 
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oh, certainly. the Church and the world have changed exponentially since Paul VI took off the tiara and placed it on the altar of St. Peter’s.
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Very much so.

The current culture is also very much against kingdoms and monarchies when once kings and other rulers were to be treated with absolute perfection no matter what they did.

It’s funny, however, that the Papal Tiara reflects a kingdom when the Papal throne isn’t a blood-begotten monarchy but elected by Cardinals. The Cardinals come from a pool of Bishops and the Bishops come from a pool of priests. The priests come from among the faithful. It’s funny how for at least 1,000 years the church has operated a “government” that reflects the basic way that most countries with democracy run.
 
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Yet no one seems to blink twice when our Eastern Catholic or Orthodox brethren continue the beautiful, elaborate enthronement liturgies for their newly instated bishops…with a mitre directly modeled on the old Byzantine imperial crown…
It always struck me as a double standard when Latin bishops (and especially the Pope) get flack for the same thing.
 
I wonder about that. Monarchies are unpopular in the US… but several developed, democratic Western countries still have constitutional monarchies: UK (and Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. sharing that same monarchy), Denmark, Norway, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands… a lot of people, even in democratic cultures, appreciate that link with tradition.
 
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Yet no one seems to blink twice when our Eastern Catholic or Orthodox brethren continue the beautiful, elaborate enthronement liturgies for their newly instated bishops…with a mitre directly modeled on the old Byzantine imperial crown…
It always struck me as a double standard when Latin bishops (and especially the Pope) get flack for the same thing.
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I’m not trying to be rude here…but there’s no good way to say this.

People don’t really care about the Eastern or the Orthodox because they are TINY. They are less than 1.5% (or 16 million) of 1.2 billion Catholics. There are nearly as many Southern Baptists in the US alone --15.2 million–as there are Eastern & Orthodox combined in the world. In general, unless a southern baptist does something really wacky, we don’t hear about it. But we hear about the Latin Rite Pope beucase the scope is astronomically larger…nearly 67 TIMES larger.
 
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I wonder about that. Monarchies are unpopular in the US… but several developed, democratic Western countries still have constitutional monarchies: UK (and Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. sharing that same monarchy), Denmark, Norway, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands… a lot of people, even in democratic cultures, appreciate that link with tradition.
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I don’t know.

Today there is a grudging respect for monarchies, but even in the UK they seem to be more of a parade piece with no power. There’s a lot of animosity towards even the world’s favorite royal family. People do like to follow their lives…but then again, people also like to watch the Kardashians.
 
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I had never seen it before now… it is quite bad 😣😣
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I’ve seen it in person. It is in a museum, so anyone can see it.

It is much worse in person than it is in photographs; much as that might be hard to believe.
 
It looks like something from the old tv show lost in space or something…
 
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It looks like something from the old tv show lost in space or something…
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In the 1960s that was a trend among Catholics.

I have come across many dreadful chalices in my day (mostly pushed to the back of the sacristy storage at this point).

In the seminary, we knew that chalice styles had names: Visigoth, Gothic, Baroque…we called that 1960s into the 70s style chalice “Klingon”
 
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