Restorations of monarchies in Europe

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Ummm. I understand your liking the Brit monarchy, and that’s fine enough since it has no power. But Britain has swung through political extremes even more than the U.S. has. Monarchy didn’t save Britain from that. And from what moral excess has monarchy preserved the Netherlands?

And Hirohito was very much the moving agent in the start of WWII. And Louis XIV was virtually the Hitler of his time in terms of territorial aggression. Turned out well for France in the long run, but it was terrible for a lot of people during his reign. And let us not forget that if Kaiser Wilhelm had held fast to his belief that there was no good excuse for Austria’s war on Serbia, there would have been no WWI. But for the vanity of one man, it would never have happened.
Before the elected British prime minister can form a new government, he must formally be given permission by the monarchy. In that respect, the monarchy has power. In Germany under the Weimar Republic, the elected president chose the next chancellor. You might say that the election chose the next monarch.

In Japan, General Tojo was very much the moving agent in the aggression toward China in WWII. Hirohito was more of a rubber stamp. During the Great Depression, in the minds of the leaders, the solution to Japan’s economic problems was to invade Manchuria. Later invading central China became the policy. This was all at the behest of the militarists who used the British and French examples as models.

As for France, Napoleon was by far the greatest territorial aggressor. Louis XIV did not invade Austria, Prussia or Russia.

Your knowledge of European history is paltry. Austria-Hungary’s invasion of Serbia had no support from Kaiser Wilhelm II. It is only when Russia came to the aid of Serbia that Germany came to the aid of Austria-Hungary. Because of the Triple Entente (Russia, France, and Britain), Germany felt the need to form the Central Powers. It was the complicated system of alliances that led to the bloodbath of WWI. Even here, when Germany invaded Belgium, a neutral country, Britain felt the need to come to their aid. Belgium had been chosen by Germany as the easiest route to France without regard to Belgium’s political stance. Barbara Tuchman’s book “The Guns of August” gives a detailed account of the first month of the Western Front.

If there had not been an assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, there would not have been WWI. However, the aggressive nature of Kaiser Wilhelm II, who envied the empires of Britain and France would probably have lead to some kind of conflict with those two countries. He already had established colonies overseas, which were taken away from Germany when they lost the war.
 
Genuinely Christian monarchs would be good.
The problem is that if an absolute monarch is not genuinely Catholic, there is little that can be done to curtail his evil.

Leopold II, who was Catholic, was generally regarded as a good guy, even enlightened. Because of his past reputation, he was entrusted with rule of the Congo. However, his brutality turned the Belgian Congo into hell on earth.
 
In terms of constitutional monarchy, why bother? There is some slight benefits to aligning a country to a monarchy, but in general they are negligible. I may be blind to how much influence a constitutional monarchy has though.
The benefit of having a monarch is to serve as a symbol for the country. In a recent cable TV series on WWI, there were old British veterans saying they had a chance to fight for king and country. In Japan, kamikaze pilots sacrificed their lives for the sake of the emperor. Monarchies help people become united. The big advantage of having a pope is to unite Christians. That is an advantage Catholicism has over the Orthodox church.

Another TV program on “The Dark Ages” in Europe pointed out that focusing on Jesus was very influential. When Clovis, the first king of the Franks, was conquering tribes, many were pagan, but he noticed that those that were Christian could easily be influenced if he, himself, became Christian. So he had the pope baptize him. Now having the blessing of the pope, he set out on a crusade to make everybody Christian. If they refused, he cut their heads off. He was now justified as a Christian soldier to wipe out all opposition.
 
“Christendom” is, and has always been, an idol. “My kingdom is not of this world,” says Jesus. It’s a fallacy to think that “Christian monarchy” or even “Catholic monarchy” will save souls. There is only one legitimate king: Jesus of Nazareth, the anointed son of God.
 
The elect of God demanded a foreign system, rule by a king, and were warned against this by God through the prophet Samuel as bringing enslavement of children and seizure of property. They insisted and God granted this, so Jesus had to fulfill this kingship by being robed in scarlet, crowned with thorns, and crucified as “King of the Jews.” The Ten Kings of the Antichrist, the monarchs on the prophetic horizon, will be defeated only by the return of the King of Kings. The monarchy in France was extended a great grace, the invitation to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. This was refused, and 100 years later to the day this was imparted, the King of France was deposed, with the then-king stuffing a note into his jail cell wall promising the consecration of France to the Sacred Heart if he was released. The guillotine answered that…

As one example, the UK has a Christian monarch, and has the most singularly corrupt financial system in the world, with fixing of gold and LIBOR being only the tip of the increasingly-exposed iceberg if the series of articles in “Rolling Stone” is to be believed… The Servant of Servants can’t even prevent the corruption of money laundering in the Vatican Bank, or scandalous clubbing by clerics. How can a secular monarch magically save us? We are God’s elect, not His elite, in spite of the insistence of Tradition, Family & Property/TFP adherents and fellow travelers.

Who is God to you? "God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my [the Virgin Mary’s] Immaculate Heart. She warned of Russia spreading her errors leading to the “annihilation of nations” and promised to convert Russia after the Vicar of Christ and his bishops consecrated Russia to her Immaculate Heart at the same time in a public, solemn ceremony at their respective cathedrals for the conversion of Russia. There is my only hope, given specifically as the “only” means to a period of peace. Who is God to you? God wishes…Will I hear and obey? “Pray the daily Rosary for peace” and make the Five First Saturdays of Reparation to the Immaculate Heart: confession, Mass, Communion, and 15 minutes meditating with her on the life of Christ after Mass, usually done through the Rosary.

Mom of Moms, help us “hear and obey” and do as we are directed because “God wishes” your exaltation and victory. Thanks.

My only question is this: will the hammer fall in 2017, 100 years after the Fatima, Portugal messages; or in 2029, 100 years after the consecration was requested in 1929 through Sister Lucia, Fatima visionary? 1929 is the year Stalin started the mass starvation of the Ukraine, leading to the slow deaths of millions of Catholics. Will more promises be stuffed into cell walls or will the consecration be done as requested in all cathedrals by all bishops and led by Peter, Bishop of Rome? Because if somebody is going to suggest that Russia has been properly consecrated to the Immaculate Heart as requested and Russia is converting or converted, I’m going to respectfully disagree. Rather than seek agreement as to the past, and as many consecrations have already been performed, let’s repeat the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart by Peter at one time with all bishops in all cathedrals at one, solemn, public time for the conversion of Russia, by name. And “Pray the daily Rosary for peace.”
 
rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigged-the-biggest-financial-scandal-yet-20130425

Here’s the Matt Taibbi article on UK fixing which doesn’t include the latest on gold market manipulation or other exotic markets. Don’t want to pile on, just want to note that no system, including monarchy, prevents systemic corruption. This UK fixing, entangling both the EU and America’s so-called Federal Reserve Bank, a private system, is a tragedy of the first order. The UK fixing exacerbates Russia’s desire to stabilize their economy as independent of the EU, which may have led to the occupation of Ukraine; and creates illegal IRS blocking of Tea Party advocates in America who wish to have the Federal Reserve Bank audited and member banks, many foreign, revealed. “The love of money is the root of all evil.” Our problems are spiritual, not political or economic, and can only be triumphed over by God’s heavenly peace plan revealed at Fatima, not Henry Kissinger or Brooksley Born’s machinations, also documented by FRONTLINE.

pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/interviews/born.html

The French Revolution was sparked by economic concerns and the monarchy eradicated in a Satanic frenzy. May we heed the request at Fatima as God wishes to establish in the world devotion to Mary’s Immaculate Heart and her triumph His way.
 
Egypt fell,Rome fell,Alexander the great fell,etc God always stops the tyrant in the end…tower of babel,David against Goliath so perhaps its time for The City of London to fall…which is hiding behind our monarchy.
 
Jerurussia, why are you preaching to us? We are not an audience gathering to hear your pearls of wisdom. This is not part of a pep rally or a spiritual convention of adherents.

Give us historical background or succinct points. Blathering on and on like a preacher at a revival meeting accomplishes nothing. Your points are buried in verbiage.
 
If we’re voting, I’m voting against the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, at least until two things happen: 1) they convert to Catholicism, and 2) the law is changed to allow a Roman Catholic to sit on the throne.

And as for the next occupant of the Throne of Saint James, I am not looking forward to the time when we go from Mad Prince Charles to Eccentric King Charles.

I’m surprised that no one has brought up Blessed Karl of Austria in this conversation of Catholic Monarchs. Yes, if he were around I would gladly swear to him my fealty. If Serbia is looking for a king, then Archduke Karl of Austria (his grandson) has a valid claim to the crown.
 
Egypt fell,Rome fell,Alexander the great fell,etc God always stops the tyrant in the end…tower of babel,David against Goliath so perhaps its time for The City of London to fall…which is hiding behind our monarchy.
Too bad that Lenin and Stalin were not done in by violent deaths.
 
If we’re voting, I’m voting against the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, at least until two things happen: 1) they convert to Catholicism, and 2) the law is changed to allow a Roman Catholic to sit on the throne.

And as for the next occupant of the Throne of Saint James, I am not looking forward to the time when we go from Mad Prince Charles to Eccentric King Charles.

I’m surprised that no one has brought up Blessed Karl of Austria in this conversation of Catholic Monarchs. Yes, if he were around I would gladly swear to him my fealty. If Serbia is looking for a king, then Archduke Karl of Austria (his grandson) has a valid claim to the crown.
I agree…if we’re voting I would go for Catholic monarchy rather than thd promotion of secular governments being promoted with their promotion of hedonism,abortion and euthanasia …beind financed by the ’ death star ’ of the city of london
 
If we’re voting, I’m voting against the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, at least until two things happen: 1) they convert to Catholicism, and 2) the law is changed to allow a Roman Catholic to sit on the throne.

And as for the next occupant of the Throne of Saint James, I am not looking forward to the time when we go from Mad Prince Charles to Eccentric King Charles.

I’m surprised that no one has brought up Blessed Karl of Austria in this conversation of Catholic Monarchs. Yes, if he were around I would gladly swear to him my fealty. If Serbia is looking for a king, then Archduke Karl of Austria (his grandson) has a valid claim to the crown.
What’s the ‘Throne of St James’?
 
I agree…if we’re voting I would go for Catholic monarchy rather than thd promotion of secular governments being promoted with their promotion of hedonism,abortion and euthanasia …beind financed by the ’ death star ’ of the city of london
Seriously, y’all Christendom types were singing a different tune when George W was promoting a culture of life while inventing cartoon explanations to justify a war that plunged a whole region into instability.
 
Seriously, y’all Christendom types were singing a different tune when George W was promoting a culture of life while inventing cartoon explanations to justify a war that plunged a whole region into instability.
George w a methodist not catholic…an oil baron and a puppet to oil currencies perhaps?
 
Too bad that Lenin and Stalin were not done in by violent deaths.
There are some that claim that Stalin was murdered (possibly by his physician), and that it was covered up.

There was a string of irregular things that happened on the night he was murdered in terms of normal guard routines not being adhered to. Whereas they might have been a string of unconnected coincidences, they may have been orchestrated to allow the murderer to enter his room and leave again without being seen.
 
What’s the ‘Throne of St James’?
At the risk of spoiling your fun if this was more of an engagement with an individual than a serious quest for information, they presumably mean the position of monarch over the United Kingdom, as started with James VI and I.

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone refer to it in that fashion though. Maybe it’s more common in certain circles that worry about bankers controlling everything.

While we’re throwing out hypotheticals and conspiracy theories, I’ve always liked the idea that the Queen is trying to outlast Charles, and Charles has no desire at all to be king but cannot abdicate because of Duty, and so therefore the plan B (for if the Queen dies before him) would have been for him to convert to Catholicism or marry Camilla. Unfortunately for him, public mood has shifted unexpectedly: people supported his marriage, and the law would probably end up being changed if he converted. He’s trapped! His only hope is to go for madness and hope William gets put in charge.
 
What’s the ‘Throne of St James’?
St. James Palace is senior palace of the British monarchy, where the official business takes place. The Throne Room there is where HRH meets all Ambassadors and High Commissioners to the United Kingdom and performs the official task of diplomatic accreditation (i.e., being accredited to The Court of St. James). When Charles ascends to the throne, that’s where he’ll meet the international community.

God help us all.
 
At the risk of spoiling your fun if this was more of an engagement with an individual than a serious quest for information, they presumably mean the position of monarch over the United Kingdom, as started with James VI and I.
It’s confusion with ‘Court of St James’ (as in ‘Ambassador to the Court of St James’ because of the official status of St James’s Palace), I expect. If anywhere would have the ‘throne of St James’, I’d have thought it would be Spain.
While we’re throwing out hypotheticals and conspiracy theories, I’ve always liked the idea that the Queen is trying to outlast Charles, and Charles has no desire at all to be king but cannot abdicate because of Duty, and so therefore the plan B (for if the Queen dies before him) would have been for him to convert to Catholicism or marry Camilla. Unfortunately for him, public mood has shifted unexpectedly: people supported his marriage, and the law would probably end up being changed if he converted. He’s trapped! His only hope is to go for madness and hope William gets put in charge.
I think it’s that she takes the whole ‘Majesty’ thing seriously - bit like Popes (until very, very recently) might continue well past their ‘sell-by date’ (in terms of effective leadership) because they were considered to be there by the will of God.
 
I have read some discussions about the possible restoration of monarchy in countries like Portugal, Serbia, Germany, Russia and even France. Monarchy movement appears to have some support and growing, or alot of support like in Serbia. If monarchy is restored in the future, that might lead to de-secularization in those countries, because monarch pretenders are all religious.
Do you believe that monarchy would be a good thing or not? Of curse im talking about the constitutional monarchy not absolute monarchy.
If this person has no true power and it is simply an honorary cultural title then go right ahead if people want it. But no public funds, these people already own land and art treasures, if they need money make a museum with family heirlooms on display.

A good example I can think of is the Bavarian Monarchy which has been in limbo sense 1918. The King of Bavaria (a vassal to the Kaiser who still retained limited power) never abdicated, and Bavaria’s new constitution nor any subsiquent Bavarian or German ones have mentioned the monarchy, meaning that noone REALY knows what the legal recognition of the monarchy is. Today the royal family, lead by “Duke Franz of Bavaria” lives reclusively, making no public statements, and simply showing its oppinion by the dukes presence or absence at the signing of laws and public events.
 
There are some that claim that Stalin was murdered (possibly by his physician), and that it was covered up.

There was a string of irregular things that happened on the night he was murdered in terms of normal guard routines not being adhered to. Whereas they might have been a string of unconnected coincidences, they may have been orchestrated to allow the murderer to enter his room and leave again without being seen.
Stalin died peacefully in his sleep. The last bit of peace he got I suppose.

Accounts state that there was a lot of howling as soon as Lenin died as if something came out of him.
 
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