Restore the Triple Tiara?

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The papal tiara should be brought back (but not Paul VI’s cone-head one…it DID look goofy)

The tiara is not meant to glorify the current pope, it is meant to glorify the OFFICE of the papacy…which is glorious. The statue of St. Peter in the Vatican is still crowned with the tiara, and the pope is Ruler of the World, Father of Kings, Vicar of Christ and even “sweet Christ on Earth”…not any one man, really, but the Office. The Chair of Peter, which is the Chair of Christ on Earth, until He returns.

The Coronation Ceremony warns of pride. “Sic transit gloria mundi” is announced as bundles of flax were burnt. “So passes the glory of the world”…

The current Pope will still die, he is still mortal, ashes to ashes, dust to dust. That doesn’t mean his position isnt exalted.

No one denies that being a mile high in the clouds is an exalted position. Just because Yurtle the Turtle fell, doesn’t mean that the location he was in is not still high and exalted. It just means that it was the position that was exalted, not Yurtle personally…he ended up in the mud at the end, just like every one of the Popes will do. Doesn’t mean the location they possessed while alive is dead too, or isnt glorious.
 
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The papal tiara should be brought back (but not Paul VI’s cone-head one…it DID look goofy)

The tiara is not meant to glorify the current pope, it is meant to glorify the OFFICE of the papacy…which is glorious. The statue of St. Peter in the Vatican is still crowned with the tiara, and the pope is Ruler of the World, Father of Kings, and even “sweet Christ on Earth”…not any one man, really, but the Office. The Chair of Peter, which is the Chair of Christ on Earth, until He returns.

The Coronation Ceremony warns of pride. “Sic transit gloria mundi” is announced as bundles of flax were burnt. “So passes the glory of the world”…

The current Pope will still die, he is still mortal, ashes to ashes, dust to dust. That doesn’t mean his position isnt exalted.

No one denies that being a mile high in the clouds is an exalted position. Just because Yurtle the Turtle fell, doesn’t mean that the location he was in is not still high and exalted. It just means that it was the position that was exalted, not Yurtle personally…he ended up in the mud at the end, just like every one of the Popes will do. Doesn’t mean the location they possessed while alive is dead too, or isnt glorious.
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I can only think of how the tiara and coronation fit in with the Suffering Servant, the Christ Who girded Himself with a towel and washed His disciple’s feet, and Who three times asked," Peter, do you love me more than these?," and then enjoined him to,“feed my sheep.” It’s an exalted and glorious office because of it’s grave importance. A crown doesn’t add to the importance of this office because a crown has little to do with servanthood, though crowns are promised to the servants who make it through to the end with fidelity. In fact, I think (and I imagine the current and last 2 pontiffs felt the same, since they all eschewed the coronation and HH Pope Benedict XVI had the tiara removed from the papal coat of arms) that it detracts from the image of the Pope as “Servant of the Servants of God.” I do wish that they had kept the ceremonial of the barefoot Franciscan with the torch and the flax hemp. I think that would help emphasize the “exaltation” of servanthood.
 
Not only should the triple tiara be restored, but the Pope should begin to refer to himself in the third person again, i.e.: “We are not amused by the suggestion that we look as if we are wearing a beehive upon our head.” :ehh:
 
Wikipedia has a good article on the Papal Tiara.

I’ve seen the one used by Pope Paul VI at the Shrine in DC. Here’s what it says at Wikipedia:
Pope Paul VI abandoned the use of his own tiara after theSecond Vatican Council, symbolically laying it on the altar of St. Peter’s Basilica, and donating its value to the poor.
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It also notes that Pope Benedict XVI does not have the paple tiara on his coat of arms, but has instead a mitre.

Jimmy Akin has a post on the tiara and a combox FYI. Including someone’s post quoting from the Shrine’s website. It describe’s how Peter’s Pense came to be.
 
Something that comes up on these forums is our sense of history. The tiara has its roots in the Middle Ages when such things were important symbols. Way back when, the Holy Father actually ruled lands and made war on his neighbors. Such is not the case now. Let’s just leave the tiara and all the rest of the papal triumphalism where it belongs…in the past. We must remember that it is from the Middle Ages and not steeped in Sacred Tradition.

Let me be brutally honest. I was a kid when I saw Ben Hur, the Ten Commandments and all the rest of the epics. I also remember John XXIII entering VII with tiara, on his throne, and being carried in on the shoulders of bearers. Like it or not, VII changed the paradigm for Catholicism. We are some 40 years beyond that now. The most poignant memory I have is of singing for Bishop Stanley J. Ott’s funeral (Bishop of Baton Rouge). He was buried in a plain pine coffin made by the monks of St. Joseph’s Abbey in St. Benedict, LA… The last shall come first and the first shall come last. We are not a medieval church any longer.
 
The previous popes dispensed with the papal tiara for good reasons, unless something has changed since the reign of John Paul II, I can’t see a reason to reverse his decision. Particularly as John Paul II is soon to be proclaimed as a saint, and is being given the appellation “the Great”, it seems a trifle schizophrenic to trash his papal actions (such as not using the tiara) at the same time.
 
I actually can’t believe this is being discussed again but if it is…

I think the Pope should wear or not wear what he feels God want him to do at this moment in time. This is tradition and not Tradition.

That said, if I had my wished catered to, I wouldn’t wish the Pope to wear anything that makes him look like a head of state. I would choose things that made him look like a man of God. Yes he is the pope and yes he should be obeyed by all and his office held in high esteem. That said, many popes have achieved this without looking like a royal.

The funny thing is that I didn’t read the Akin link until after I wrote the above. Guess maybe the Pope and I are on the same page. Yessssssss!
 
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I think the pope should wear whatever Peter wore upon his head. Now that’s tradition! 👍
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Certainly. And Peter wore the tiara. Or am I confusing him with the statue at the vatican… :confused: 😃

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the first ones with cardinal ratzinger has more elaborate versions of the pentagonal mitre i dont like. the rest of them are the megamitres i like, large round leaflike spires.
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I agree.

Another of my pet peeves is the vestments most bishops wear. Abhominable! My bishop doesn’t most of the time but some of the photos I see leave much to be desired. Most of the time they look like priests (and not well dressed priests) with some purple hat on top of the head. Noble simplicity is taken as S-I-M-P-L-I-C-I-T-Y and I see bishops wearing those chasubles with the ‘monastic’ cut or whatever-its-called, and the chi-rho on the back. (shudder) Leave those for Lent please! The vesture of bishops, IMHO, should show the hierarchal and apostolic nature of the church.
 
Dr. Bombay:
Not only should the triple tiara be restored, but the Pope should begin to refer to himself in the third person again, i.e.: “We are not amused by the suggestion that we look as if we are wearing a beehive upon our head.” :ehh:
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Sir, I read somewhere that Pope Benedict had resumed the use of the ‘royal pronoun’ (was it at his first address after his election?) but it was omitted in the English transalation. Any info on this?
 
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AJV:
And “in your face Catholicism” is the form we should be showing because…
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Now before I post a reply, let me say this i am A Fan of your Posts AJV. I particularly liked your post where you provided the link to the Photos, of HH B16 wearing the Camauro.
Just so we are on the same page, and everybodys friends.
(After all Christmas is just around the Corner) And I certainly dont want A lump of coal this Christmas. (Katrina was more than generous to me)

We should be showing this Face because…

Millions of unborn are ripped from the Womb.
The Godless are praised
Those who seek Virtue scorned
The most popular songs of the Day are those that praise every form of sexual Liscense.
As are the same Movies
As are the most popular books
Pornography is rampant spreading like A stain across this Nation.
Human Beings are seeking truth in Every false God, Some of their own creation.
They have become “Lovers of Pleasure,rather than lovers of God” KJV
Drug use is epidemic.
I could go on. But that is why IMHO we need “In your face Catholicism”
The “Noonday Devil” is here among us. He is in our face with teeth bared.

Our Lady of prompt Succor, Hasten to help us!
 
QUICUMQUE VULT:
Now before I post a reply, let me say this i am A Fan of your Posts AJV. I particularly liked your post where you provided the link to the Photos, of HH B16 wearing the Camauro.
Just so we are on the same page, and everybodys friends.
(After all Christmas is just around the Corner) And I certainly dont want A lump of coal this Christmas. (Katrina was more than generous to me)
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Of course QV. I apologise if the tone of my posts came across as unfriendly. It was only meant to be a question when I didn’t understand some aspect of your post. Once again, my apologies and hope you have a blessed Christmas.
 
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AJV:
Of course QV. I apologise if the tone of my posts came across as unfriendly. It was only meant to be a question when I didn’t understand some aspect of your post. Once again, my apologies and hope you have a blessed Christmas.
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No need to apologize AJV. I wanted to make sure that I was not misunderstood. I have never read one of your posts that seemed unfriendly.

I look forward to enjoying your posts in the Future!
God Bless you at this Holy Christmas season.
BTW I love the prayer that appears at the bottom of your posts!
Surely it is Eastern. No?
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Never! HH Paul VI laid it on the altar at the close of the council. Metaphorically and literally, it should never be picked up again. I’m all for solemnity and dignity, but the Vicar of Christ should NOT be crowned, unless like his Master, it’s with a crown of thorns. The papal investiture/inauguration is more than sufficient.
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You’ve taken the words out of my mouth. I can see the attraction, definitely - I voted against because the Pope is nothing if he is not a Christian bishop: and bishops are not meant to be earthly rulers or temporal lords, but pastors of the flock of God. The notion of having a priest-king is attractive - but it’s not what Jesus required of any Apostle, not even Peter.​

 
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JKirkLVNV:
I can only think of how the tiara and coronation fit in with the Suffering Servant, the Christ Who girded Himself with a towel and washed His disciple’s feet, and Who three times asked," Peter, do you love me more than these?," and then enjoined him to,“feed my sheep.” It’s an exalted and glorious office because of it’s grave importance. A crown doesn’t add to the importance of this office because a crown has little to do with servanthood, though crowns are promised to the servants who make it through to the end with fidelity. In fact, I think (and I imagine the current and last 2 pontiffs felt the same, since they all eschewed the coronation and HH Pope Benedict XVI had the tiara removed from the papal coat of arms) that it detracts from the image of the Pope as “Servant of the Servants of God.” I do wish that they had kept the ceremonial of the barefoot Franciscan with the torch and the flax hemp. I think that would help emphasize the “exaltation” of servanthood.
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Or to put it another way - it seems just a bit unfitting to have the Church concentrating on a “theology of glory”, here on earth, when her glorification can come only after she has gone down into death and been raised from that, to the life of Heaven.​

There’ll be time enough for glory then - and until then, it’s the Cross all the way. ##
 
QUICUMQUE VULT:
BTW I love the prayer that appears at the bottom of your posts!
Surely it is Eastern. No?
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I have affinity for verbose and effusive Trinitarian expressions (must be a side effect of living in an Islamic country) and the best place to find them is in the Eastern (and specifically Byzantine) rites. This one was part of the service for the departed (a panikhida- hope I spelt it right) said at Pope John Paul II’s funeral. I was watching the chanting but couldn’t understand anything except for ‘Christos anesti’ and ‘Kyrie Eleison’ when suddenly Patriarch Gregorius started chanting in Arabic. So I got the gist of what he was saying and looked it up and used as much of it as the signature limit would allow.
 
If you want the Pope to have a tiara how about raising the money to have one made and then send it to him? In other words, those that feel he should wear it, actions speak louder than words.
 
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If you want the Pope to have a tiara how about raising the money to have one made and then send it to him? In other words, those that feel he should wear it, actions speak louder than words.
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Best to send and ask him about it first…seriously. How would such a group feel if they sent him one, he wore it once, out of politeness, then he let it gather dust in the sacristy? Again, he’s actually removed the tiara from his coat of arms, something TH JPI and JPII didn’t go so far as to do, even though neither ever wore the tiara.

You can send letters through the Apostolic Delegate in Washington, D.C. The letters then go to the Holy See in the diplomatic pouch. Write to him in care of his secretary. You’ll get a response, from the secretary at least.
 
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