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SpiritusSanctus said:
And I should be convinced by that because? The only thing that convinces me on is that the priest at that parish is a modernist and not Traditional.
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StAnastasia said:
You are correct.
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Please explain what this modernist priest teaches so that there can be good thoughts about him. According to post 237, you are familiar with modernists’ views. And possibly their current actions? Thank you.
 
The national liturgical documents reflect the spirit and intent of Vatican II. In the US the General Instruction on the Roman Missal gives direction re: matters of the sort you speak of. In no place does it explicitly say women are forbidden to be Eucharistic ministers.

I’ve lived in San Francisco, Pittsburgh, PA, Los Angeles, Chicago, Kansas City, Santa Rosa, CA, Fortuna, CA and now Spokane, WA. In each of these places where I’ve gone to mass women serve as Eucharistic ministers. Other places I’ve visited have the same…
 
grannymh said:
Please explain what this modernist priest teaches so that there can be good thoughts about him. According to post 237, you are familiar with modernists’ views. And possibly their current actions? Thank you.
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He’s pastor at a different parish in our city, and I’d only met him once before. He gave a very prayerful, thoughtful homily for the Quinceanera Mass.

I’m not sure what “modernist” refers to in your post, but yes – out church has electricity and modern indoor plumbing, and a photocopy machine. And also Latin Masses, brilliant homilies, historical-critical exegesis, female altar servers, a great choir and organ tradition, gay and lesbian couples, outreach to the poor, and a parish school jam-packed with children.

StAnastasia
 
tpw said:
I’ve lived in San Francisco, Pittsburgh, PA, Los Angeles, Chicago, Kansas City, Santa Rosa, CA, Fortuna, CA and now Spokane, WA. In each of these places where I’ve gone to mass women serve as Eucharistic ministers. Other places I’ve visited have the same…
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I thought every church had them. I’ve seen them in Switzerland, Argentina, and Australia.
 
StAnastasia said:
He’s pastor at a different parish in our city, and I’d only met him once before. He gave a very prayerful, thoughtful homily for the Quinceanera Mass.

I’m not sure what “modernist” refers to in your post, but yes – out church has electricity and modern indoor plumbing, and a photocopy machine. And also Latin Masses, brilliant homilies, historical-critical exegesis, female altar servers, a great choir and organ tradition, gay and lesbian couples, outreach to the poor, and a parish school jam-packed with children.

StAnastasia
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gays and lesbians couples? mixed with the Latin Mass? does your parish also marry these gays and lesbians couples? do they go to receive the Eucharist? is this your Parish?
 
SpiritusSanctus said:
There were women periti at the Council - for the first time perhaps. The role of women in the church has grown substantially at least in the U.S.
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Very true.
It’s women who often pursue advanced studies in theology; it’s women who toil faithfully in our parishes as DRE’s; sacramental preparation; serve as administrators, teachers and counselors in our schools;
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Why is this. Are women more prone to believe in God? Could some of the reason be they live longer (note the apparent ages of the EMHC and DRE’s) and/or have more free time (current and former housewives) on their hands?
Without women it’s safe to say much of the ministry of the church in the US would collapse.
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If that is true then the RCC is in big trouble.
Originally Posted by StAnastasia
I attended a quinceanaera Mass yesterday, attended by about 200m people. The priest told the young lady that more doors are open to women now than ever before. He held up his liturgical vestments and said, “You can’t wear these just yet, but we’re going to fix that!”
The applause from the congregation was thunderous.
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This is something a priest should NEVER say in public. It goes against the teachings of the Church and something that Rome has addressed over and over. He may believe it is a good thing and he may work toward that end but as a spiritual leader of Catholics he is doing himself and the Church a disservice.
 
brap said:
Very true.

This is something a priest should NEVER say in public. It goes against the teachings of the Church and something that Rome has addressed over and over. He may believe it is a good thing and he may work toward that end but as a spiritual leader of Catholics he is doing himself and the Church a disservice.
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work toward that end?

it sound quite disonest to me? at least if he says publicly, we will know who the wolves are. if you follow him and his ideas, you do it knowingly. but those who do not go for that, at least they have a chance to just leave.

now and days, it takes discernement to know who the wolves are. many of them are working quietly towards dismantling the Church of our Lord. but not impossible to identify them. the Lord said: my sheep will know my voice. this is very profound and meanifull.
 
StAnastasia said:
wisdomseeker;6595996:
Yes – some are classically-trained singers.
No.
I don’t know. We don’t videotape the communion processions, so I can’t review who communicates and who doesn’t.
Yes.
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really? you mean you dont care if a person is in sin and are coming to receive the Eucharist? is there sins according to what you believe?
i think our Lord has something to say about that?
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wisdomseeker said:
StAnastasia;6596100:
really? you mean you dont care if a person is in sin and are coming to receive the Eucharist? is there sins according to what you believe?
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i think our Lord has something to say about that?

I’m not sure what you are asking by “is there sins according to what you believe?”

Can you please rephrase that in English? I’d like to reply.
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brap said:
This is something a priest should NEVER say in public. It goes against the teachings of the Church and something that Rome has addressed over and over. He may believe it is a good thing and he may work toward that end but as a spiritual leader of Catholics he is doing himself and the Church a disservice.
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It’s an interesting question that is frequently discussed in my diocese, by priests and people alike, usually after Mass. I don’t know why he mentioned it at Mass (I wouldn’t have), but he is not the first priest I have heard address this from the pulpit.
 
brap said:
This is something a priest should NEVER say in public. It goes against the teachings of the Church and something that Rome has addressed over and over. He may believe it is a good thing and he may work toward that end but as a spiritual leader of Catholics he is doing himself and the Church a disservice.
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Catholic priests and lay people are not suppose to be working for the ordination of women priests. What signaled that this was a [non-official if you will] dissident group was the line in post 235: “The applause from the congregation was thunderous.”
 
tpw said:
The national liturgical documents reflect the spirit and intent of Vatican II. In the US the General Instruction on the Roman Missal gives direction re: matters of the sort you speak of. In no place does it explicitly say women are forbidden to be Eucharistic ministers.

I’ve lived in San Francisco, Pittsburgh, PA, Los Angeles, Chicago, Kansas City, Santa Rosa, CA, Fortuna, CA and now Spokane, WA. In each of these places where I’ve gone to mass women serve as Eucharistic ministers. Other places I’ve visited have the same…
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Interesting.

Due to my work schedule, I regularly attend Mass in three different diocese in Southern California. Although I have not been able to conduct detailed medical examinations of those involved, I have never seen an overtly female human serve as a Eucharistic Minister in a Catholic Mass. In this part of the Catholic World, the role of Eucharistic Minister is limited to those of the Ordained Catholic Priesthood. As far as I am aware, there are no licitly ordained female priests operating in California. Under Redemptionis Sacramentum, biological women may - and often do - serve as Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion in the Ordinary Form of the Mass. In my experience, even the most modernist parish in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles defers to the authority of the Congregation for Divine Worship on this matter.

Regarding your personal experience in San Francisco, are your sure these “priests” were genuine women or could these “women” have been youthful men trapped in the bodies of women? Or vice versa? Given the sensibilities of the region, either is possible.

BTW, if the General Instruction on the Roman Missal does not explicitly prohibit women from wearing fishnet stockings, are they OK to wear under his/her priestly vestments?
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wisdomseeker:
work toward that end?

it sound quite disonest to me? at least if he says publicly, we will know who the wolves are. if you follow him and his ideas, you do it knowingly. but those who do not go for that, at least they have a chance to just leave.

now and days, it takes discernement to know who the wolves are. many of them are working quietly towards dismantling the Church of our Lord. but not impossible to identify them. the Lord said: my sheep will know my voice. this is very profound and meanifull.
One way to discern the wolves is to ask if there were two, real, sole parents (aka Adam and Eve) of the human species.
 
StAnastasia said:
He’s pastor at a different parish in our city, and I’d only met him once before. He gave a very prayerful, thoughtful homily for the Quinceanera Mass.

I’m not sure what “modernist” refers to in your post, but yes – out church has electricity and modern indoor plumbing, and a photocopy machine. And also Latin Masses, brilliant homilies, historical-critical exegesis, female altar servers, a great choir and organ tradition, gay and lesbian couples, outreach to the poor, and a parish school jam-packed with children.

StAnastasia
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That would be considered a modernist parish. “Modernist” means it goes against Tradition and goes by the modern-day teachings of the Church which are taught today. However, the Church doesn’t approve of gay and lesbian couples. I’m surprised the parish you are at allows a Traditional Latin Mass (or do you just mean a Novus Ordo said in Latin?) considering they allow gay couples and female altar servers. I’m going to guess you mean Novus Ordo Masses said in Latin because there’s no way a parish like that would offer a TLM.
 
SpiritusSanctus said:
That would be considered a modernist parish. “Modernist” means it goes against Tradition and goes by the modern-day teachings of the Church which are taught today. However, the Church doesn’t approve of gay and lesbian couples. I’m surprised the parish you are at allows a Traditional Latin Mass (or do you just mean a Novus Ordo said in Latin?) considering they allow gay couples and female altar servers. I’m going to guess you mean Novus Ordo Masses said in Latin because there’s no way a parish like that would offer a TLM.
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Modernist also has another usage in some areas. It refers to bending Catholic theology and/or changing the Catholic Deposit of faith to coincide with current secular thinking.
 
grannymh said:
Modernist also has another usage in some areas. It refers to bending Catholic theology and/or changing the Catholic Deposit of faith to coincide with current secular thinking.
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That too, but I basically covered that when I said it goes against Tradition. Everything you mentioned is not Traditional.
 
SpiritusSanctus said:
That would be considered a modernist parish. “Modernist” means it goes against Tradition and goes by the modern-day teachings of the Church which are taught today. However, the Church doesn’t approve of gay and lesbian couples. I’m surprised the parish you are at allows a Traditional Latin Mass (or do you just mean a Novus Ordo said in Latin?) considering they allow gay couples and female altar servers. I’m going to guess you mean Novus Ordo Masses said in Latin because there’s no way a parish like that would offer a TLM.
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You’re right – ours is a modernist parish. And the Mass is a Novus Ordo sung in Latin.
 
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