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copperblade
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How does resurrection of the body work in reference to aborted babies? If there was an abortion (natural or otherwise) at one of the beginning stages, is that the body?
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DENNYINMI
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Only God will know the answer to some of these questions, but this is a thought provoking one. Also, through our prayers, I do believe they will receive the benefit of the baptism of desire, that is why it is so necessary to pray for these babies!
We know our bodies will be “glorified” upon the resurrection…so I would tend to believe, these innocent martrys of the culture of death shall be magnificent!!!
One can only imagine, but if we see with the eyes of our hearts…trust in Gods plan to make them grande’ and beautiful! As they are!
We know our bodies will be “glorified” upon the resurrection…so I would tend to believe, these innocent martrys of the culture of death shall be magnificent!!!
One can only imagine, but if we see with the eyes of our hearts…trust in Gods plan to make them grande’ and beautiful! As they are!
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Kelly1601
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There seems to be an underlying assumption here that the body we have upon death is that which we will recieve back at the resurrection (albeit glorified).How does resurrection of the body work in reference to aborted babies? If there was an abortion (natural or otherwise) at one of the beginning stages, is that the body?
This is not theologically verifiable (to the best of my knowledge).
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DENNYINMI
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from what I have read per Catholic teaching on the resurrection on the last day, it is indeed the body we receive only the teaching goes into discussion regarding its’ glorification…but it is our body…but vivified…(glorified)…There seems to be an underlying assumption here that the body we have upon death is that which we will recieve back at the resurrection (albeit glorified).
This is not theologically verifiable (to the best of my knowledge).
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Big_Dummy
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leaderu.com/ftissues/ft9510/reviews/wilken.html
turns out this question was asked and answered by Augustine in The City of God (Book XXII) chapters 12-15
newadvent.org/fathers/120122.htm
In short, If I understand him, then they will have mature maybe 20 year old bodies like Adam and Eve.
see also chapters 84-87 at this link too,
leaderu.com/cyber/books/augenchiridion/enchiridion78-96.html
other readings related to resurrection
newadvent.org/fathers/0206.htm
newadvent.org/cathen/12792a.htm
turns out this question was asked and answered by Augustine in The City of God (Book XXII) chapters 12-15
newadvent.org/fathers/120122.htm
In short, If I understand him, then they will have mature maybe 20 year old bodies like Adam and Eve.
see also chapters 84-87 at this link too,
leaderu.com/cyber/books/augenchiridion/enchiridion78-96.html
other readings related to resurrection
newadvent.org/fathers/0206.htm
newadvent.org/cathen/12792a.htm
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Third_Day
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One of the Church Fathers, Origen believed that we will be resurrected in the body of a 33 year old because Jesus was raised from the dead at age 33.
It doesn’t seem practical that a person that dies at the age of 100 would be in the glorified body of 100 or a baby that dies at the age of one would be in the glorified body of age one. The age of Christ’s resurrected body makes sense.
It doesn’t seem practical that a person that dies at the age of 100 would be in the glorified body of 100 or a baby that dies at the age of one would be in the glorified body of age one. The age of Christ’s resurrected body makes sense.
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DENNYINMI
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The Lateran dogma includes two doctrines: (1) the resurrection of all mankind and (2) the resurrection of the identical body of each person. The full doctrine of the resurrection contains these two points, but, as the general resurrection is not commonly denied and, moreover, may be taken to be included in the resurrection of the identical body, we shall explain and discuss the latter doctrine alone.
It is the de fide doctrine of the Catholic Church that all men shall not only rise again with a body but shall rise again with the same body they have had on earth. For the moment we may remark that, according to this doctrine, the good and wicked will alike arise with their bodies. To be committed again to a body will not be either a supernatural punishment or a supernatural reward, but will be the supernatural accomplishment of a natural desire and state.
The body that each human being will possess forever will be his own body that he now has. It will not be his own merely because after the resurrection it will belong to him and to no one else; it will not be a body that is given to him; it will be his own present body which will be given back to him. But it is not yet de fide how much is meant by the phrase “their own proper bodies that they now bear.” Catholic theologians here are found to differ.
There is a group that holds that the resurrection of the body does not mean that the soul will be reunited to any particle of matter that belonged to its former body. The body that the human being will possess will be called the “same” body because it will be quickened by the same soul. For these theologians, identity of the soul suffices for identity of the body.
The larger group of theologians, following Aquinas, declares that mere identity of soul is not sufficient for identity of body. The soul must be reunited to at least some of the matter that once essentially belonged to it. . . .
Found on this site; encylopedia…
It is the de fide doctrine of the Catholic Church that all men shall not only rise again with a body but shall rise again with the same body they have had on earth. For the moment we may remark that, according to this doctrine, the good and wicked will alike arise with their bodies. To be committed again to a body will not be either a supernatural punishment or a supernatural reward, but will be the supernatural accomplishment of a natural desire and state.
The body that each human being will possess forever will be his own body that he now has. It will not be his own merely because after the resurrection it will belong to him and to no one else; it will not be a body that is given to him; it will be his own present body which will be given back to him. But it is not yet de fide how much is meant by the phrase “their own proper bodies that they now bear.” Catholic theologians here are found to differ.
There is a group that holds that the resurrection of the body does not mean that the soul will be reunited to any particle of matter that belonged to its former body. The body that the human being will possess will be called the “same” body because it will be quickened by the same soul. For these theologians, identity of the soul suffices for identity of the body.
The larger group of theologians, following Aquinas, declares that mere identity of soul is not sufficient for identity of body. The soul must be reunited to at least some of the matter that once essentially belonged to it. . . .
Found on this site; encylopedia…
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Kelly1601
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from what I have read per Catholic teaching on the resurrection on the last day, it is indeed the body we receive only the teaching goes into discussion regarding its’ glorification…but it is our body…but vivified…(glorified)…
Certainly, I believe that we all get the same body (at least in the sense defined by the Lateran Council) we had on earth; my point was that, theologically, I don’t think there’s anything that says which body, so to speak. [In a way, refuting the Thomistic approach.]The Lateran dogma includes two doctrines: (1) the resurrection of all mankind and (2) the resurrection of the identical body of each person. The full doctrine of the resurrection contains these two points, but, as the general resurrection is not commonly denied and, moreover, may be taken to be included in the resurrection of the identical body, we shall explain and discuss the latter doctrine alone.
It is the de fide doctrine of the Catholic Church that all men shall not only rise again with a body but shall rise again with the same body they have had on earth.
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There is a group that holds that the resurrection of the body does not mean that the soul will be reunited to any particle of matter that belonged to its former body. The body that the human being will possess will be called the “same” body because it will be quickened by the same soul. For these theologians, identity of the soul suffices for identity of the body.
The larger group of theologians, following Aquinas, declares that mere identity of soul is not sufficient for identity of body. The soul must be reunited to at least some of the matter that once essentially belonged to it. . . .
That is to say, biologically, the majority of our cells die and are shed before we do, so our bodies now are not the bodies we had as newborns, neither are they the ones we’ll have at 100, if God gives us that long on Earth.
Perhaps on this point, an aborted child’s body is the one they receive back, since no cells have had a chance to die and be shed. However, it seems that a fetal body is still only in the state of having the potential to become a fully actualised human body.
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copperblade
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It makes me wonder if there will be enough matter to go around. I’m sure the matter in our bodies gets reused through the generations.The larger group of theologians, following Aquinas, declares that mere identity of soul is not sufficient for identity of body. The soul must be reunited to at least some of the matter that once essentially belonged to it. . . .
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