Resurrection of the Roman Catholic Church

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Has anybody read this book?

I’ve recently returned to the faith and want to whatever, little, I can to try and turn the tide in my neck of the woods. This books looks like it could be pretty good.

I’m looking to answer a few questions.

Is there really a traditionalist movement looking to restore the church?

Is all the crazy stuff I’ve read about Vatican II true? There’s a lot of it out there too much to list in a post.

I know there are a lot of questions here but I’m trying to get my bearings and often get lost in SSPX and sedevacanist(sp?) websites. I’m not quite sure what the issues are but I want to remain faithful and stick with being positive.

Any thoughts? I know this is a little rambling post but, again, I’d like to do what I can to positively help.
 
whizkid43 said:
Has anybody read this book?

I’ve recently returned to the faith and want to whatever, little, I can to try and turn the tide in my neck of the woods. This books looks like it could be pretty good.

I’m looking to answer a few questions.

Is there really a traditionalist movement looking to restore the church?

Is all the crazy stuff I’ve read about Vatican II true? There’s a lot of it out there too much to list in a post.

I know there are a lot of questions here but I’m trying to get my bearings and often get lost in SSPX and sedevacanist(sp?) websites. I’m not quite sure what the issues are but I want to remain faithful and stick with being positive.

Any thoughts? I know this is a little rambling post but, again, I’d like to do what I can to positively help.
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Are you talking about the book by Griff Ruby? If so, I’ve read a good portion of it. It’s very good for explaining the various positions of traditionalists.

It is also from a sedevacantist position, though it is very charitable for the most part. Not as strident as other people’s work like Fr. Cekada.

It’s worth reading but don’t limit yourself to it. Read opposing viewpoints and pray for guidance.

I’m about to order William Biersach’s “While the Eyes of the Great Are Elsewhere.” Biersach has an excellent, witty style, it’s very contemporary in its subject ,the subtitle is “Thoughts on Being a roman Catholic at the Dawn of the 21st Century”.

I think it’s best to put your reading in order.

Catechesis: Make sure you know the Faith. Various Catechism—Find the one that you can read that is the most orthodox. Many people agree that Canon Ripley’s “This is the Faith” is an excellent source.

Devotions: Read about your favorite saints and put the traditional devotions into practice. Read about the Angels or Our Lady and get them to help you out.

Scriptures: Read them and the commentaries by good Catholic saints and theologians. Haydock’s Commentary is online and very valuable.

Vatican II: Ralph Wiltgen’s The Rhine flows into the Tiber is one of the best reportings off the events at the Council.

The Crisis in the Church: The most fair and accessible works on the Council are the works of Micheal Davies. Small booklets, articles as well as large thorough works. You can’t go wrong with Michael Davies. He is beyond reproach in his honesty and humility.

Reading to keep your head on straight: G. K. Chesterton–He’s essential reading if you want to think straight and live straight in a twisted world.

There are so many audio tapes and CDs and online interviews, it’s a mountain to name them all. But learn your faith first and then move forward a bit at a time.

The Rosary is your most powerful weapon, learn to say it and then say it frequently. Our Lady will put you in the right places and with the right resources.

Bishop Williamson once said, “Bring the Mother of God into the picture and things will start to happen, for where the Mother is, her Son is never far.”
 
Whizkid, Gerard has made an excellent post. I concur with his remarks.
 
I personally enjoyed Griff Ruby’s book, having lived through some of the history he describes, but don’t agree with his sedevacantist views. Gerard is correct; Michael Davies is a more mainstream traditionalist author.

One thing the original poster can do is pray for vocations to replace the great numbers of priests who abandoned their calling, and also for restoration of the traditional Mass.
 
I’d like to do what I can to positively help.

**The best thing you can do to postively help is the pray and work on yourself (patience, forebearance, gentleness, meekness, charity).

To the extent you improve yourself, you have improved the Church.**
 
whizkid43 said:
Has anybody read this book?

I’ve recently returned to the faith and want to whatever, little, I can to try and turn the tide in my neck of the woods. This books looks like it could be pretty good.

I’m looking to answer a few questions.

Is there really a traditionalist movement looking to restore the church?

Is all the crazy stuff I’ve read about Vatican II true? There’s a lot of it out there too much to list in a post.

I know there are a lot of questions here but I’m trying to get my bearings and often get lost in SSPX and sedevacanist(sp?) websites. I’m not quite sure what the issues are but I want to remain faithful and stick with being positive.

Any thoughts? I know this is a little rambling post but, again, I’d like to do what I can to positively help.
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All I know is that I watched the Mass of Divine Mercy - at the shrine…and I wanted to throw up. The only encouraging thing I saw and heard was McCarrick kneeling in adoration of the Blessed Sacrament at Benediction and hearing O Salutatis and Tantum Ergo - In Latin.

Ken
 
kleary said:
All I know is that I watched the Mass of Divine Mercy - at the shrine…and I wanted to throw up. The only encouraging thing I saw and heard was McCarrick kneeling in adoration of the Blessed Sacrament at Benediction and hearing O Salutatis and Tantum Ergo - In Latin.

Ken
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What are you talking about Ken? This is a thread about books.
 
Resurrection follows death.
The Catholic Church has never died.
It will never die. The gates of hell will not prevail against it.
 
Whizkid43, the book by Griff Ruby does a good job of following the traditional movement in the Catholic Church, and is a great historical aid for that reason. However, the author draws the incorrect conclusion (known as sedevacantism) that we should assume that the papacy is vacant. Therefore, I would hesitate to recommend the book unless you first have a good understanding of the papacy, and the authority, infallibility and indefectibility of the Church, as well as some knowledge of the councils of the Church.
 
cam100 said:
Whizkid43, the book by Griff Ruby does a good job of following the traditional movement in the Catholic Church, and is a great historical aid for that reason. However, the author draws the incorrect conclusion (known as sedevacantism) that we should assume that the papacy is vacant. Therefore, I would hesitate to recommend the book unless you first have a good understanding of the papacy, and the authority, infallibility and indefectibility of the Church, as well as some knowledge of the councils of the Church.
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Thanks! Good info. I will not be swayed to assume the papacy is vacant. After leaving the Church can returning I will be, proverbially, going down with the ship. HOWEVER, as the previous poster stated the Gates of Hell will not prevail. and the ship will not be going down.

I’m just trying to get my bearings
 
whizkid43 said:
Thanks! Good info. I will not be swayed to assume the papacy is vacant. After leaving the Church can returning I will be, proverbially, going down with the ship. HOWEVER, as the previous poster stated the Gates of Hell will not prevail. and the ship will not be going down.

I’m just trying to get my bearings
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I’d have to look it up to be sure but I remember someone saying that many of the Fathers of the Church said that the history of the Church would unfold in a manner similar to Our Lord’s life on earth.

In essence, the Church would eventually have the appearance of “dying” and being “entombed” in order to rise again.

Just as Christ dies in order to have victory over death, the Church will appear to die for all practical purposes before it rises agian victorious.
 
GerardP said:
I’d have to look it up to be sure but I remember someone saying that many of the Fathers of the Church said that the history of the Church would unfold in a manner similar to Our Lord’s life on earth.

In essence, the Church would eventually have the appearance of “dying” and being “entombed” in order to rise again.

Just as Christ dies in order to have victory over death, the Church will appear to die for all practical purposes before it rises agian victorious.
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That’s interesting. I’ve run across some pretty wild stuff with respect to The Prophecy of the Popes and St Malachy. Some of it saying either Benedict XVI or the next next pope may be forced to leave the Vatican… I dunno you’d have to go digging

catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

Because I’ve been running into stuff like this I posted here…
 
whizkid43 said:
That’s interesting. I’ve run across some pretty wild stuff with respect to The Prophecy of the Popes and St Malachy. Some of it saying either Benedict XVI or the next next pope may be forced to leave the Vatican… I dunno you’d have to go digging

catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

Because I’ve been running into stuff like this I posted here…
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But do remember that the only prophecies guaranteed by the Church are those in sacred scripture – and we are often not given the interpretation of those. Other propecies may or may not be true, and some apparent prophecies are quite erroneous and can lead one astray. Always first see if they square with the teachings of the Church. Private revelations may or may not aid us in sactification, but they are never necessary for it, as all revelation of the deposit of faith ended with the apostles and is contained in the teachings of the Church.

I am cautioning you simply because I’ve seen a number of people who in the process of returning to the Catholic faith get too caught up in private revelations and prophecies. Sadly, some have placed so much emphasis on the prophecies that they have, without realizing it, replaced the teachings of the Church with their interpretations of these prophecies. So be careful!
 
cam100 said:
But do remember that the only prophecies guaranteed by the Church are those in sacred
I am cautioning you simply because I’ve seen a number of people who in the process of returning to the Catholic faith get too caught up in private revelations and prophecies. Sadly, some have placed so much emphasis on the prophecies that they have, without realizing it, replaced the teachings of the Church with their interpretations of these prophecies. So be careful!
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Acknowledged, thanks!

I’m curious while looking at the Prophecy of the Popes I did note there was very little info, if any, on sites like this, and I do trust this site. The lack on information on main stream sites lets me know what I need to know.
 
Bishop Williamson once said…
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While Bp. Williamson happens to be right about trusting in the intercession of the Blessed Mother, no Catholic should by any means listen to him. He has made statements that make it very hard to believe that he is not a Neo-Nazi. If you want citations, I can give them to you.
 
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