Return to Latinization?

[LakaYaRabb]

Even a compliment to you places us on the opposite sides of the fence SimpleSinner.

Neil, My Melkite Brother, Thank you.

 

[LakaYaRabb]

Seamus,

Care to back up with real historical documentation you epithet against our God-Loving Patriarch, His Beatitude Maximos IV?

 

[Seamus_L]

At V2 during a discussion on birth control, Maximos IV Saigh questioned the Church’s teaching by asking “And are we not entitled to ask if certain positions are not the outcome of outmoded ideas and, perhaps, a celibate psychosis on the part of those unacquainted with this sector of life?” And also added “the immense majority” of Catholics did not practice what the church teaches on birth control. “Shouldn’t the official position of the church in the matter be revised in the light of modern science?”

 

[surgei]

I am really sad I ever said anything about St Alexi, or HH Maximos IV.
Is this really what it is like here?
Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way, first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
This all started with speculation. None of us are Bishops. None of us are in a place to patition the HF. None of us should be speaking on these matters if it is causing division in our hearts.

 

[surgei]

“If men are so wicked with religion, what would they be if without it?”
-Ben Franklin

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Even a compliment to you places us on the opposite sides of the fence SimpleSinner.

That should hardly be the case. But would that it were the case some were as quick to defend or castigate all polemicists on here equally!

Ea Semper & Cum data ferrit have proven time and again to be expedient sources of polemic. When it comes to beating that horse, any stick will do.

God forbid we ever actually take a look at the circumstances surrounding those documents rather than just insisting it was pure unadulterated, unexplainable, inexcusable anti-Easternism. To be fair, the Romans (think +Mundelien in Chicago) didn’t always fair well in the preservation of their ethnic distinctions within the Latin Church.

Far easier to rail agains the past, to cite old documents, and never consider that looking at the past with our modern senibilities and sensitivities might readily lend itself to some straw-man building.

If even that puts us squarely on opposite sides of the fence, that is telling.

Seamus,

Care to back up with real historical documentation you epithet against our God-Loving Patriarch, His Beatitude Maximos IV?

Do some due dilligence. Find out who said at the Second Vatican Council “Shouldn’t the official position of the church in the matter be revised in the light of modern science?” Seamus’ point seems to be that it is hardly fair to latch on to a singular episode and make that the sum total of how one is remembered.

 

[jj2011]

That should hardly be the case. But would that it were the case some were as quick to defend or castigate all polemicists on here equally!

If even that puts us squarely on opposite sides of the fence, that is telling.

Do some due dilligence. Find out who said at the Second Vatican Council “Shouldn’t the official position of the church in the matter be revised in the light of modern science?” Seamus’ point seems to be that it is hardly fair to latch on to a singular episode and make that the sum total of how one is remembered.

The long winded speeches of Maximos IV were well covered in such primary accounts as Fr Wiltgen’s The Rhine Flows into the Tiber. The steady decline of the once great Melkite Church
can be traced directly to his blathering patriarchate.

 

[Catherine_Grant]

This thread is closed for the absolute lack of charity.

This is a fasting time, days before the celebration of the birth of our Lord. Please act accordingly.