Reuters: Three years on, pope leaves Catholic conservatives feeling marginalized

[pnewton]

If anyone of us, whether ultra-conservative or ultra-liberal was totally misunderstood on what we believe to be an issue of the utmost importance, I tend to strongly believe we’d go out of our way to clarify things for those who got it wrong.

I do not know that it would do any good for those that listen to the news, or their groupthink radio and blogosphere gurus, instead of the Holy Father directly, speaking through regular ecclesial channels.

 

[JosieN]

If anyone of us, whether ultra-conservative or ultra-liberal was totally misunderstood on what we believe to be an issue of the utmost importance, I tend to strongly believe we’d go out of our way to clarify things for those who got it wrong.

 

[JPUSC]

I do not know that it would do any good for those that listen to the news, or their groupthink radio and blogosphere gurus, instead of the Holy Father directly, speaking through regular ecclesial channels.

He has no problem making clarifications when he wants to. He has Fr. Lombardi, his papal spokesman, whom he could’ve made a statement through, just like when he had him confirm that he really did say that condoms are ok in emergencies.

With the America Magazine interview, he didn’t issue any clarifications and led everyone to believe that he really did mean what he said, even if certain quotes were emphasized. He knew what the news headlines were saying afterwards as he has his people informing him, but not a word came from him. It was truly his purpose to move the Church away from the moral issues given importance by Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI and shift more towards climate change and poverty. Many of his actions to the present day reinforce the fact that this is his agenda.

Who said I believe everything NARAL says? Pope Francis is the one giving them and the media bait to use. It’s not my problem that the words he utters could be used to lead people to believe certain things. Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI never uttered anything remotely close to what he said that can be used as ammo against Catholics.

If there is anyone who was, is or will be led into sin because of his numerous remarks, he will have to answer to God for that. He likes to make confusing statements, but doesn’t clarify or correct them when he has the means to do so.

You can’t fault the everyday person who knows nothing about the difference between ex-cathedra statements and off the cuff remarks to believe that the Catholic Church is changing because of his remarks. The whole world is starting to believe that, even church going Catholics.

 

[pnewton]

He has no problem making clarifications when he wants to. He has Fr. Lombardi, his papal spokesman, whom he could’ve made a statement through, just like when he had him confirm that he really did say that condoms are ok in emergencies.

An argument from silence? Really? He didn’t clarify something (to your satisfaction) therefore he is wrong.

Who said I believe everything NARAL says?

I can think of no other reason, at least a logical reason for posting that ridiculous sign.

If there is anyone who was, is or will be led into sin because of his remarks, he will have to answer to God for that.

If you went to Church and someone told you, that you will have to answer to God for your posts here if anyone is led into sin by your remarks, would you think that such a person is implying that there is something wrong in your remark that might lead one to sin? (Otherwise why make such a comment.)

If such a comment would be acceptable to you, then you have not violated the Golden Rule.

 

[JPUSC]

An argument from silence? Really? He didn’t clarify something (to your satisfaction) therefore he is wrong.
I can think of no other reason, at least a logical reason for posting that ridiculous sign.
If you went to Church and someone told you, that you will have to answer to God for your posts here if anyone is led into sin by your remarks, would you think that such a person is implying that there is something wrong in your remark that might lead one to sin? (Otherwise why make such a comment.)

If such a comment would be acceptable to you, then you have not violated the Golden Rule.

Oh, to my satisfaction? I, for one, would love it if Pope Francis continued towards his path of modernization as it would make life much easier for all of us. The Episcopalians look like they’re having a lot of fun. If that’s what he wants to do, so be it.

I just don’t like the Church dictating to me centuries old rules that you have to follow, on the threats of eternal hellfire, and discover that they can be seemingly altered or deemphasized one day when the Pope feels like it.

Yes, we are implying there is something wrong with Pope Francis’ remarks. Even articles coming from EWTN and other respected Catholic publications are expressing worry over them. His job is supposed to be the moral leader of millions of people; he really should be making sure he is expressing the teachings of the Catholic Church clearly.

I’m out. You guys can defend him all you want. I don’t care.

 

[pnewton]

, and discover that they can be seemingly altered or deemphasized one day when the Pope feels like it.

That these two verbs are joined with a conjunction is significant. One is impossible and one is unavoidable. This Sunday, the emphasis of the Church changed drastically, just from the entrance on Palm Sunday to the Gospel reading, de-emphasizing the triumphal entry in less than half an hour. This week, Holy Thursday, Good Friday, and Holy Saturday keep jumping all over the map, emphasizing the Eucharist, then the Crucifixion and then de-emphasizing it to focus on the Resurrection.

You guys can defend him all you want. I don’t care.

This is what I do for loved ones and family.

 

[JimG]

Do you believe everything NARAL says? Abortion clinics and those promoting abortion can and do use prejudicial rhetoric. This is nothing new and is indicative of nothing.

It’s true that NARAL can and does use all sorts of misleading rhetoric.
It’s just rather sad that an abortion facility was able to prominently display a papal quote for their own promotion.
Of course, the pope didn’t mean for his words to be used in this way,
but it makes for a prudential argument for for more clarity in speech,
whether it’s the pope or a bishop or me.