Revelation?

[Linusthe2nd]

I am afraid to say the Magisterium of the Church is not the only one which claims so. All religious institution claim that they have connection by God since otherwise they lose their authorities on interpretation of their holy books. So we return to the old problem that I raised namely how could we distinguish the right religion from the wrong one, not having the ability to judge the trueness of each holy book?

The answer is to pray for faith. It should be obvious to you that God would not leave us orphans. And if he gave a Revelation, then he gave us a single authority for interpreting that Revelation. If you investigate the Catholic Faith thoroughly, you will be able to see that it has been appointed by God as the only infallible source for interpreting his Truth.

Linus2nd

 

[GaryTaylor]

The answer is to pray for faith.

Pretty much sums it up. The paradox seems that in order to reach this level of humility you must submit to some level of belief in God. Even if its “I don’t know but I’m praying anyway just in case”. It also seems humility which counters pride opens the ability of the communication to take place with grace.

 

[Bahman]

The answer is to pray for faith. It should be obvious to you that God would not leave us orphans. And if he gave a Revelation, then he gave us a single authority for interpreting that Revelation. If you investigate the Catholic Faith thoroughly, you will be able to see that it has been appointed by God as the only infallible source for interpreting his Truth.
Linus2nd

I have my own faith, “wherever it may go” and I am man of my own way.

 

[Linusthe2nd]

I have my own faith, “wherever it may go” and I am man of my own way.

Well, keep praying in the quiet of your room. Close your eyes and contemplate the greatness and goodness of the Almighty and ask his help.

P.S. How do you get any work done? I’m retired and you aren’t but you post all day long it seems.

Linus2nd

 

[Bahman]

Well, keep praying in the quiet of your room. Close your eyes and contemplate the greatness and goodness of the Almighty and ask his help.

I believe that God is within me and wouldn’t be happy to see me praying but thinking.

P.S. How do you get any work done? I’m retired and you aren’t but you post all day long it seems.

I do a few things at the same time. Discussing things with others is a part of my duty.

 

[Linusthe2nd]

I believe that God is within me and wouldn’t be happy to see me praying but thinking.

And why would you think that? Don’t you think it would be better to pray and think?

I do a few things at the same time. Discussing things with others is a part of my duty.

And what kind of organization do you work for that demands you do that?

Linus2nd

 

[Bahman]

And why would you think that?

Because of two reasons, first you need thinking to become cognitively open to new truth, second, I was asked to do so.

Don’t you think it would be better to pray and think?

I am searching spirituality to the edge and what is left is thinking to the edge.

And what kind of organization do you work for that demands you do that?

I am a physicist working on a few projects at an institute. I spent half of my time thinking about the existence in general.

 

[Aloysium]

. . . So we return to the old problem that I raised namely how could we distinguish the right religion from the wrong one, not having the ability to judge the trueness of each holy book?

From these posts it should be evident that “we” do not have the problem.
The “old problem” would be more like, “How am I to judge the trueness . . .?”
You stated earlier somewhere that you stopped reading the Bible after the first verse in Genesis because you thought it wrong.
Now, I don’t know if we all sound very foolish to you, but the fact that we say it makes sense to us, does that not cause you to wonder if your understanding is correct?
Are you able to judge such a thing at all? I don’t think you’ve read enough to be able to do so.
It really is a lot easier to dream than to focus and try to comprehend.
If it gets difficult to grasp what has been revealed, you can pray, as suggested, and/or just be good.
Love is what all the theology and philosophy in Christianity is about.
So, in what way do I personally “judge” the trueness of any holy writing? By the degree to which it reveals God’s beauty, and goodness - that is wherein the Truth lies.
Blessings in your journey.

 

[Bahman]

Let’s be clear: from these posts it should be evident that “we” do not have a problem.
The question would be more like, “How am I to judge the trueness . . .?”
You stated earlier somewhere that you stopped reading the Bible after the first verse in Genesis because you thought it wrong.
Now, I don’t know if we all sound very foolish to you, but the fact that we say it makes sense to us, does that not cause you to wonder if your understanding is correct?
Are you able to judge such a thing at all? I don’t think you’ve tried hard or read enough to be able to do so.
It really is a lot easier to dream than to focus and try to comprehend.
If it gets difficult to try and absorb what has been revealed, you can pray, or just be good.
Love is what all the theology and philosophy in Christianity is all about.
So, in what way do I personally “judge” the trueness of any holy writing? By the degree to which it reveals God’s beauty, and goodness - that is wherein the Truth lies.
Blessings in your journey.

Are you sure that you are not biased with the concept of love, beauty and goodness of to judge a holy writing. There is a dual concept for anyone you can imagine. Love goes against hate, beauty against ugly, good against evil, etc. Without one another has no meaning. Should we hate ugly or evil, or love them? Are hate, ugly and evil are part of the creation and if not how could we experience them and if yes what was the necessity?

I wish that your mind and heart provide you a proper journey.

 

[empther]

Are hate, ugly and evil are part of the creation and if not how could we experience them and if yes what was the necessity?

Hate, ugly and evil are not part of creation. They have no substantial existence.
They are adjectives that we apply to the evil men do.

**These are extremely simple concepts. ** We understood them as children in grade school when the nuns taught us catechism.
They have been explained a thousand times on this forum.
There is no excuse not to understand them now.

 

[Bahman]

Hate, ugly and evil are not part of creation. They have no substantial existence.

Haven’t you seen an extremely ugly person? Is s/he responsible for what s/he look like? You mean you cannot experience hate, ugly and evil?

They are adjectives that we apply to the evil men do.

Is ugly subjective or objective?

**These are extremely simple concepts. **
We understood them as children in grade school when the nuns taught us catechism.

They might did wrong and that is why your mind is so biased toward existence of evil, ugly and hate.

They have been explained a thousand times on this forum.
There is no excuse not to understand them now.

I explained otherwise a thousand time and I am ready to explain it for another time. Could God perform creation without evil yet man/woman can experience it?

 

[Charlemagne_III]

Is ugly subjective or objective?

Both!

 

[Bahman]

Both!

But objective reality is just form. I think it is matter of how we were trained to give different value to different forms hence ugly is subjective. How color and form could give different meaning unless the intellect was trained to?

 

[empther]

My post 30:

Quote:
Bahman had said–> ] Are hate, ugly and evil are part of the creation and if not how could we experience them and if yes what was the necessity?

I replied: ]** Hate, ugly and evil are not part of creation. **They have no substantial existence.
They are adjectives that we apply to the evil men do.

These are extremely simple concepts. We understood them as children in grade school when the nuns taught us catechism.
They have been explained a thousand times on this forum.
There is no excuse not to understand them now.

Now bahman says…

I explained otherwise a thousand time and I am ready to explain it for another time. Could God perform creation without evil yet man/woman can experience it?

I’ve love to see an explanation of how hate, ugly, and evil can substantially exist.

:coffeeread:

( Aquinas would rise from his grave! )

 

[Linusthe2nd]

Because of two reasons, first you need thinking to become cognitively open to new truth, second, I was asked to do so.

I am searching spirituality to the edge and what is left is thinking to the edge.

I am a physicist working on a few projects at an institute. I spent half of my time thinking about the existence in general.

Here is a good ( and challenging ) article on existence .

dhspriory.org/thomas/english/DeEnte&Essentia.htm

Linus2nd

 

[Bahman]

Pretty much sums it up. The paradox seems that in order to reach this level of humility you must submit to some level of belief in God. Even if its “I don’t know but I’m praying anyway just in case”. It also seems humility which counters pride opens the ability of the communication to take place with grace.

Agreed, but that means that even Christian should pray for the right belief.

 

[Bahman]

Here is a good ( and challenging ) article on existence .

dhspriory.org/thomas/english/DeEnte&Essentia.htm

Linus2nd

Thank you very much. I will read it shortly.

 

[Bahman]

My post 30:

Now bahman says…

I’ve love to see an explanation of how hate, ugly, and evil can substantially exist.

:coffeeread:

( Aquinas would rise from his grave! )

So you mean that you are God since nothing can displease you.

 

[empther]

Typical evasion technique(s) used to reply to my post 34

So you mean that you are God since nothing can displease you.

Techniques:

1. ignore the points already made
2. change the subject
3. make an accusation
4. say something absolutely incorrect about God
5. confuse and deflect late-comers to the thread

 

[Bahman]

Typical evasion technique(s) used to reply to my post 34

Techniques:

1. ignore the points already made
2. change the subject
3. make an accusation
4. say something absolutely incorrect about God
5. confuse and deflect late-comers to the thread

Could we please stay on the subject topic posing and answering simple questions instead playing the role of a mind reader?

Here is the question again: Is there anything in this world that displease you?