Revenge vs. Justice

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How do we seperate the two?

I feel a tremendous need for revenge for past abuses suffered by my wife at the hands of others. I try very hard to tell myself that justice is God’s decision, not mine.

Does God provide the offended with some form of justice? If God is not the cause of the evil because of free will, how can his justice be enough for the hurt party?

If those people spend eternity in hell that satisify’s God’s justice. Don’t my wife and I get some justice?

This is difficult to deal with, I’m not expecting answers, just venting I guess.
 
Which of these would be the better outcome?
  1. The people that hurt your wife burn in hell?
  2. The people who hurt your wife repent and share in the Kingdom of God?
Holding on to the desire for vengeance is a kind of slavery. How does one define or measure justice for the damage caused by a heinous crime against one’s dignity? Forgiveness is where true freedom resides.

I wrote something regarding forgiving the seemingly unforgivable last December. You can read it here
 
How do we seperate the two?

I feel a tremendous need for revenge for past abuses suffered by my wife at the hands of others. I try very hard to tell myself that justice is God’s decision, not mine.

Does God provide the offended with some form of justice? If God is not the cause of the evil because of free will, how can his justice be enough for the hurt party?

If those people spend eternity in hell that satisify’s God’s justice. Don’t my wife and I get some justice?

This is difficult to deal with, I’m not expecting answers, just venting I guess.
His justice will be for you to have a peaceful heart. That is what God’s justice provides. He doesn’t want us going around thinking about revenge, even. I have always thought that God’s revenge isn’t exactly what we think of when we think of revenge.

Often times, people who are hurting others, are hurting themselves…inside. It seems that in a strange sense, that is the justice.

Justice is a funny thing. It will never take away the pain caused by the person who committed the offense. Here’s a personal example…I was verbally abused by my brother in law growing up…my parents died, and he and my sister who are much older, raised me. I could never understand that, why that was happening to me…and I always asked God for justice. About 15 years later…my sister hurt him very much…he had a heart attack…she left him…he was all alone. I thought…for a split second, that in some sick way…this was justice for how he treated me. But, after the split second fleeted away…I realized that his pain should not make me happy. That’s the funny thing about justice…we think we want it…but when we achieve it, it doesn’t make us happy.

I actually felt very sorry for him, and finally forgave him after all these years. Forgiving will bring healing for you and your wife…and perhaps there is a hidden justice in that.

My prayers are with you both.
 
When I am faced with such personal challenges I have found these to be helpful.
…13. The sinner will not escape with his plunder, and the patience of the godly will not be frustrated.
…11. Whoever keeps the law controls his thoughts, and wisdom is the fulfilment of the fear of the Lord.
…27. O that a guard were set over my mouth, and a seal of prudence upon my lips, that it may keep me from falling, so that my tongue may not destroy me!
  1. O Lord, Father and Ruler of my life, do not abandon me to their counsel, and let me not fall because of them!
  1. O that whips were set over my thoughts, and the discipline of wisdom over my mind! That they may not spare me in my errors, and that it may not pass by my sins;
  1. in order that my mistakes may not be multiplied, and my sins may not abound; then I will not fall before my adversaries, and my enemy will not rejoice over me.
  1. O Lord, Father and God of my life, do not give me haughty eyes,
  1. and remove from me evil desire.
  1. Let neither gluttony nor lust overcome me, and do not surrender me to a shameless soul.
  1. Listen, my children, to instruction concerning speech; the one who observes it will never be caught.
Sirach. 28
  1. He that takes vengeance will suffer vengeance from the Lord, and he will firmly establish his sins.
  1. Forgive your neighbor the wrong he has done, and then your sins will be pardoned when you pray.
  1. Does a man harbor anger against another, and yet seek for healing from the Lord?
  1. Does he have no mercy toward a man like himself, and yet pray for his own sins?
  1. If he himself, being flesh, maintains wrath, who will make expiation for his sins?
  1. Remember the end of your life, and cease from enmity, remember destruction and death, and be true to the commandments.
They help keep me grounded when I want to fly too high after my own desires. Your post allowed me to re-read them. :tiphat:

I thought you might like them too.
 
I am sorry for whatever things happened to your wife. People do foolish things all the time. One of my favorite t.v. series is ‘Law and Order’, it is a police detective show in America. It completely dumbfounds me how callas the criminals seem sometimes, as though they actually believe their is some kind of power in being evil. I feel sorry for them actually, because evil contains nothing even remotely resembling power. But I wouldn’t so quickly set God against them, after all wounds begets wounds, and healing begets healing; I hope for them healing.
 
I think the problem the Church has in getting this across is that there isn’t any balance and consistancy playing out in the justice we see around us. It should be remembered that it is meant to be played out. All through scripture we are shown examples of just trials of individuals as examples to us. So Justice is to be an open one for us.

The problem is it reveals other anomalies of Justice that are not meant to be evident or obvious. There is an almost predictable justice that we would expect depending on which entity caused the offense, and that should not be the case. If this were evident in a democratic justice system, it would be cause for alarm and a system review, with perhaps a few supreme court judges up for questioning. So far evidence indicates devine justice is similar to fallible human justice in most respects. For the entity man, it is unpredictable, except that it is a probable that some will enter hell, and we have doctrine that states what the probable sentencing would be, (but not a certainty of course).

One will find no urgent corrective advice to collectives in scripture except in brief paragraphical reprimands. This advice is usually directed to an authoritive individual who is king, who makes individual decisions affecting the subjects. Except for fledgling Greece, few nations of that period had the semblance of democratic systems governed by a lessor (elected?) collective body. Ironically, this is an improvement over the previous monarchist systems in that they are more aware of rights and wrongs and their effects, as what comes into play now is a collective conscience rather than individual one. Also, the form is more recognizable as a unital body capable of making “individual” decisions.

For society and nations one is pretty much assured society will go on not feeling the temporal punishments it is due, and it gets to live on through the centuries, proof that God can look aside grave sins against Him regardless of the repentant state of the entity. Individuals have endured and expected that humans would be biased. Societies will ticker-tape their successes for the world to see, and their sins dispersed to it’s subjects in monies due or pressed service of the citizens. Societies will invoke God’s assistance, and pray for collective mercy for wrongs it does, as if there was any threat at all.

Either God ignores the greater scale or immensity of the offenses societies can impart, and the added culpability due to the advantage of more heads to consider, or God is a universal God, where societies are brought down to individual status to publicly receive justice deserved in the form they committed it. An option to restrict individual sentencing to the equivalent of societal sentencing would be an obvious remedy to the imbalance/dbl standard. So far evidence shows it’s the former.

These things are not missed by ever aware individuals, as if it weren’t necessary for him to concern himself with it. As if he should not be phased in seeing genocidic nations receiving lessor punishment, (all factors remaining equal), while he discovers later his loved ones or himself is sentenced to damnation for the equivalent crime.

I take a wait and see attitude on Justice. I consider it yet to be proved and outside the deposit of the Faith, but one things for sure. If what I say shows true, every person can claim this has a defense argument at his celestial trial, and that too would be …Just, and we can count on the Holy Spirit to vouch for us.

AndyF
 
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