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How would an OF Mass go if it were to be said on a fixed altar Ad Orientem in Latin with Gregorian Chant, servers in cassock and surplice,schola m Eucharistic Prayer I, etc?

How would the liturgy of the word go in such a setting without a free standing Altar?

In short how would the celebration of the Mass differ from the EF Mass? Would only the servers do the responses as in the OF?
 
h1478971 said:
How would an OF Mass go if it were to be said on a fixed altar Ad Orientem in Latin with Gregorian Chant, servers in cassock and surplice,schola m Eucharistic Prayer I, etc?

How would the liturgy of the word go in such a setting without a free standing Altar?

In short how would the celebration of the Mass differ from the EF Mass? Would only the servers do the responses as in the OF?
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It would be the Mass as the Council envisioned, and no the Lessons would probably still be done from the Pulpit/Lectern, not that this is a bad thing, both Ad Orientum and Versus Populum has Pros and cons for the Lessons, and I personally, don’t have a strong opinion either way, due to there merits.

BTW it’s spelt Reverent, Reverend is a formal title of a member of the Clergy (Rev. N is a Deacon/Priest, Very Reverend, Most Reverend etc are Bishops)
 
h1478971 said:
How would an OF Mass go if it were to be said on a fixed altar Ad Orientem in Latin with Gregorian Chant, servers in cassock and surplice,schola m Eucharistic Prayer I, etc?

How would the liturgy of the word go in such a setting without a free standing Altar?

In short how would the celebration of the Mass differ from the EF Mass? Would only the servers do the responses as in the OF?
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You are imagining too much, methinks. The most substantial difference, I suspect, would be that – at least in this hypothetical – the Responsorial Psalm would be replaced by having the schola sing the Gradual.

Other than that, it would be the same Mass*, just in a different language and with different music. The readings must be proclaimed to the congregation from the ambo; they cannot be read (or sung) at the altar and facing the wall. The congregation is to make all the typical responses (at least as much as they are able to in Latin); the Confiteor, for instance, is not to be usurped by the servers. Likewise, the priest cannot offer the Indulgentiam only to the servers. The Canon, and most especially the words of consecration, cannot be spoken sotto voce.

*Edited to add: in case I wasn’t clear, I mean that it would be “the same OF Mass,” (and, after all, the Missale of Paul VI was promulgated in Latin), not that it would be the same as a TLM.
 
The OF ad orientem in Latin would differ from the EF in many significant ways.

In that OF,
  • the priest would say the same prayers out loud that he does in your vernacular OF. Much, much more would be audible in this type of OF than the EF.
  • the people would respond as they do now in the OF, only in Latin
  • a layperson would read the readings in the vernacular, from the current OF lectionary
  • the priest would actually be facing the people quite often (more often than the EF)–from the presider chair, and when directed by the rubrics at other times.
  • communion would not be required on kneeling and on the tongue (depending on the local rules, of course)(as it is in the EF)
  • altar servers need not be of the masculine persuasion (depending on the local rules, of course) (as they are in the EF)
I’m not sure I get your question about the liturgy of the word and the altar.

The servers would most certainly not be the only ones responding in this OF Mass. The people have the same responses in this OF Mass as in any other OF Mass.

By the way, I’ve been to this type of OF Mass–Latin, ad orientem. It is absolutely heavenly. I much much prefer it to the EF, mostly because I can hear what is going on, I know what the priest is doing, I don’t have to guess when the consecration happens. And I love the EF.

The OF Mass, ad orientem, in Latin, is more like your reverent OF Mass in the vernacular than it is like the EF Mass.
 
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It would be the Mass as the Council envisioned, and no the Lessons would probably still be done from the Pulpit/Lectern, not that this is a bad thing, both Ad Orientum and Versus Populum has Pros and cons for the Lessons, and I personally, don’t have a strong opinion either way, due to there merits.

BTW it’s spelt Reverent, Reverend is a formal title of a member of the Clergy (Rev. N is a Deacon/Priest, Very Reverend, Most Reverend etc are Bishops)
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I wish all OF masses were like that.
 
It works well enough. My local Benedictine Abbey celebrates Mass pretty much in this way (although the Altar is free Standing to allow the Choir to be be behind is as is traditional.) A most glorious thing is the OF sung in Latin with Gregorian chant taking pride of place. It didn’t take me that long to pick up the Latin responses either.
 
GwenL said:
The OF ad orientem in Latin would differ from the EF in many significant ways.

In that OF,
  • the priest would say the same prayers out loud that he does in your vernacular OF. Much, much more would be audible in this type of OF than the EF.
  • the people would respond as they do now in the OF, only in Latin
  • a layperson would read the readings in the vernacular, from the current OF lectionary
  • the priest would actually be facing the people quite often (more often than the EF)–from the presider chair, and when directed by the rubrics at other times.
  • communion would not be required on kneeling and on the tongue (depending on the local rules, of course)(as it is in the EF)
  • altar servers need not be of the masculine persuasion (depending on the local rules, of course) (as they are in the EF)
I’m not sure I get your question about the liturgy of the word and the altar.

The servers would most certainly not be the only ones responding in this OF Mass. The people have the same responses in this OF Mass as in any other OF Mass.

By the way, I’ve been to this type of OF Mass–Latin, ad orientem. It is absolutely heavenly. I much much prefer it to the EF, mostly because I can hear what is going on, I know what the priest is doing, I don’t have to guess when the consecration happens. And I love the EF.

The OF Mass, ad orientem, in Latin, is more like your reverent OF Mass in the vernacular than it is like the EF Mass.
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Here is a sample:

youtube.com/watch?v=_8qAKHSGS1o
 
h1478971 said:
How would an OF Mass go if it were to be said on a fixed altar Ad Orientem in Latin with Gregorian Chant, servers in cassock and surplice,schola m Eucharistic Prayer I, etc?
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As per the Ordinary of the Mass. Ad orientem is the position that was anticipated anyway. Gregorian chant is also the norm recommended by the Church.
h1478971 said:
How would the liturgy of the word go in such a setting without a free standing Altar?
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Are you assuming that if an OF Mass is celebrated in Latin the readings would be read as in the EF at the altar? No, they should be read to the people at the ambo. They could be in Latin or the vernacular.
h1478971 said:
In short how would the celebration of the Mass differ from the EF Mass?
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There would be a lot of diffeences.
h1478971 said:
Would only the servers do the responses as in the OF?
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Did you mean “… as in the EF?”. In the OF everyone makes the responses not just the servers.
 
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