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gamewell45
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no it does not take into account BB guns. That would increase numbers.
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gamewell45
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everything you’ve mentioned above with the exception of hunting & throwing knives are touch to conceal and in my state knives over a certain length are illegal to carry on your person.
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gamewell45
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A death is a death no matter what the age of the person is.
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gamewell45
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Have you evidence of this that you can share with us all?
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royal_archer
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yes it does.
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royal_archer
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Rifles, shotguns and full size hand guns are also tough to conceal.
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royal_archer
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Look at post 133 where you took a list of non fatal injuries and falsely portrayed it as “deliberate homicides/injuries involving discharge of firearms”
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gamewell45
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True, but then again , that’s most likely why you don’t need a license to carry a shotgun and rifles. full sized hand guns, while tough to conceal, can be done.
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gamewell45
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I was referring to your post in #140.
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royal_archer
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you wanted evidenceof soemone manipulating or misrepresenting data and I provided evidence of such.
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gamewell45
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no, the evidence based on what you said in this sentence removed from #140:
"They also like to include injuries and non weapon “fire arms”, and incidents not related to the projectile in the mix in order to artificially inflate the numbers"
Taken in this context, who is “they”? The CDC? or other agencies as well?
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Iowa_Mike
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All,
Let’s stop the debate. The leading cause of accidental deaths in the United States is car accidents so let’s ban cars and give everyone a gun.
Annual car accident deaths all ages ~ 43,000 per year
Car accidental deaths age under 1 to 24 years - 13,151 per year
Annual fire arms deaths all ages - 28,663 per year
Fire arms deaths age under 1 to 24 years per year - 7,011
Source the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html
While these numbers may be disputed by other sites you will find them to be in general agreement.
Therefore I suggest that we ban cars altogether or find ways to keep cars out of criminal hands (hit and runs, drive by shootings, get-away cars etc.), alcoholics, people with mental disease and other undesirables. We should run background checks on all people who buy cars (used or new), ban auto auctions where cars are sold without adequate checks and balances, regulate privates sales, tax owners of cars to pay for the increased regulations, confiscate cars for driving 30 mph over the speed limits, ban people from owning or driving a car that are convicted of a whole range of bad driving behaviors e.g. texting while driving.
With guns I suggest we give everyone over the age of 18 the opportunity to buy and carry. Crime rates would drop dramatically (as cc permit states have consistently shown)…I mean who wants to stick up the local convenience store if they think armed patrons might be in the store or come in while the robbery was in progress. All gun permits should be concealed carry so we discourage in street gun battles. Maybe we should bring dueling back into vogue.
Next I think we should come up with a solution for stabbings e.g. maybe we should demand that only plastic knives, forks and spoons be sold. We could demand that every carving knife, steak knife etc.be licences with similar rules to the sale of cars.
I mean we could really clean things up if we put our minds to it, don’t you think?
God Bless,
Iowa Mike
Let’s stop the debate. The leading cause of accidental deaths in the United States is car accidents so let’s ban cars and give everyone a gun.
Annual car accident deaths all ages ~ 43,000 per year
Car accidental deaths age under 1 to 24 years - 13,151 per year
Annual fire arms deaths all ages - 28,663 per year
Fire arms deaths age under 1 to 24 years per year - 7,011
Source the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html
While these numbers may be disputed by other sites you will find them to be in general agreement.
Therefore I suggest that we ban cars altogether or find ways to keep cars out of criminal hands (hit and runs, drive by shootings, get-away cars etc.), alcoholics, people with mental disease and other undesirables. We should run background checks on all people who buy cars (used or new), ban auto auctions where cars are sold without adequate checks and balances, regulate privates sales, tax owners of cars to pay for the increased regulations, confiscate cars for driving 30 mph over the speed limits, ban people from owning or driving a car that are convicted of a whole range of bad driving behaviors e.g. texting while driving.
With guns I suggest we give everyone over the age of 18 the opportunity to buy and carry. Crime rates would drop dramatically (as cc permit states have consistently shown)…I mean who wants to stick up the local convenience store if they think armed patrons might be in the store or come in while the robbery was in progress. All gun permits should be concealed carry so we discourage in street gun battles. Maybe we should bring dueling back into vogue.
Next I think we should come up with a solution for stabbings e.g. maybe we should demand that only plastic knives, forks and spoons be sold. We could demand that every carving knife, steak knife etc.be licences with similar rules to the sale of cars.
I mean we could really clean things up if we put our minds to it, don’t you think?
God Bless,
Iowa Mike
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royal_archer
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“they” is you.
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royal_archer
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Good point how many drive by shooting incidents are only listed as gun related and not car related. Banning cars would theoretically drive (excuse pun) down the gun injury rate.
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gamewell45
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Mike,
In theory I have no issue with banning the use of cars altogether, particularly since they are extremely difficult for criminals to hide. However if we would completely ban the use of cars it would involve a rather significant amount of monies needed to be dedicated towards public transportation of which I have no issue with especially since it’ll have a positive impact on the environment and as you mentioned earlier, a decrease in the amount of death and injuries suffered in private vehicles. Think of what you’d save in insurance policies.
If the ownership of private cars were banned, it would eliminate whole host of issues you mentioned such as texting while driving, speeding issues, alcohol related issues, etc.
Great Idea. Now you have to convince politicians to enact legislation banning the use/ownership of privately owned motor vehicles. Any thoughts?
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fultonfish
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Some guy in the UK got arrested for thwarting a home invasion/break-in. He was using a TOY PISTOL, but they arrested him anyway.
wmsa.net/pubs/reason/reason_nov02_crime_in_uk.htm
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• In 1994 an English homeowner, armed with a toy gun, managed to detain two burglars who had broken into his house while he called the police. When the officers arrived, they arrested the homeowner for using an imitation gun to threaten or intimidate. In a similar incident the following year, when an elderly woman fired a toy cap pistol to drive off a group of youths who were threatening her, she was arrested for putting someone in fear. Now the police are pressing Parliament to make imitation guns illegal.
wmsa.net/pubs/reason/reason_nov02_crime_in_uk.htm
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• In 1994 an English homeowner, armed with a toy gun, managed to detain two burglars who had broken into his house while he called the police. When the officers arrived, they arrested the homeowner for using an imitation gun to threaten or intimidate. In a similar incident the following year, when an elderly woman fired a toy cap pistol to drive off a group of youths who were threatening her, she was arrested for putting someone in fear. Now the police are pressing Parliament to make imitation guns illegal.
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fultonfish
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Just got to thinking … what if the guy had used a feather duster to detain the burglars and what if they sneezed themselves to death? Would he have been charged with threatening or intimidating? What if he just stared at them really really hard and they felt intimidated.
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Lycorth
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In the long run, a more peaceful society would result. Short term could be a little bloody, but transitional periods usually are.
In an ideal world, everyone would be encouraged to keep their service rifle after their required period of military service and the state would take a responsible and pro-active position in encouraging firearms safety, availability, and ownership to all legal citizens who are not convicted of serious crimes.
Having lived next door to the ghetto for about thirty years of my life, I am a firm believer in firearms ownership and self-defense. Those who beat their sword into plowshares *will *plow for those who have not, or else will die. Enough is enough.
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Newbie2
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Wouldn’t you agree, though, that there are certain environments where everyone carrying a firearm would not be a good idea? I don’t mean to generalize, but most college students that I know or have known (myself included) I would not like to be around if they were armed.
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Iowa_Mike
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This is a tough issue. When I think of college students carrying guns while drunk at a frat party, it is scary. The problem is that this goes on all the time without anyone’s approval.Wouldn’t you agree, though, that there are certain environments where everyone carrying a firearm would not be a good idea? I don’t mean to generalize, but most college students that I know or have known (myself included) I would not like to be around if they were armed.
I went into the military when I was 17. I was in the service when many of my high school buddies were drafted to serve in Vietnam. Over 47,000 soldiers were killed during the war and average age was about 23. Because of the all volunteer force serving in Iraq the average age is more like 26 or 27. In both combat area’s there are literally boatloads of 18 - 20 year olds serving. War’s are fought by young people…if old people had to do the fighting (like me) there wouldn’t be any wars at all, it’s hard to fight if you have to let go of your walker.
The public drinking age in England (and other European countries) is ~18 and much lower if drinking in private (14-16). They have laws which limit the purchase of alcohol to 18 years plus. They don’t have the problems we have in this country with 18 year olds that are drinking…I wonder why? I think it may be that it is not a novelty…anyone can drink so there’s no challenge to getting liquor and the excitement associated with illegal drinking. Just a thought.
The truth is underage drinking in this country is rampant and availablility of guns to those <21 years is huge. The fact is that if 18 year olds can be combat soldiers then limiting their availablity to booze seems strange to me.
God Bless,
Iowa Mike
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