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I guess they could teach “Shooter’s Ed,” like Driver’s Ed. A fool with a car can kill many more people than an idiot with a gun. Most of the time, anyway.

-Tina “Support Your 2nd Amendment Rights” G:)
Tina, they still do teach hunters safety courses here in our elementary schools in alaska… I agree that its a great thing, wish they did it more in other states. Somehow I think you dont go through a class like that without developing a healthy respect for what they can do, a better understanding of the finality of bod decisions made with respect to guns, and I believe, and higher regard for life and the consequences of taking life from even a game animal let alone a human.
 
I own over a dozen guns for over a quarter of a century and not a single one of my guns have ever killed any living creature. I guess they must be defective. :rolleyes:
I’ve got to admit, I’ve slayed far more paper targets than evil dragons!
 
A whole dozen guns?? Well I guess your all set when the Russians invade us.:rolleyes:
It isn’t necessary invasions that I am mainly concerned about. I carry different guns under different circumstances. For instance, in the winter time I’ll carry a larger caliber and a bigger gun than I would in the summer time. I’m not going to carry the same gun when I hiking in the woods and as I do when I’m distributing Holy Communion, nor when I go to work – where, by the way, I am REQUIRED to be armed.
 
If I am reading post 323 correctly, it recommends for students and professors to carry loaded weapons to class. I would oppose this for reasons I gave above.

  1. ]http://fud-files.netfirms.com/image/private/misc/AFPQ1.GIF"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance. To ensure peace, security, and happiness, the rifle and pistol are indispensable. The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference. When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour. They deserve a place of honor with all that is good."* — President George Washington.
    ]http://fud-files.netfirms.com/image/private/misc/AFPQ2.GIF"The great body of our citizens shoot less as times goes on. We should encourage firearms practice among schoolchildren, and indeed among all, by every means in our power. Thus, and not otherwise, may we be able to assist in preserving peace. The first step … in the direction of preparation to avert war if possible, and to be fit for war if it should come – is to teach our citizens to shoot!"* — President Theodore Roosevelt.
 
Yes lets not forget that the left wing national socialist party ,like all leftists…destroy the right of free speech and the right to keep and bear arms…our first longest day was at Lex.and Concord.the brits were on their way to clean out the store houses that each town had…a place fulled with cannon,rifles and ammunition!!! In all countries taken over by the left the citizens were not armed,had no way to communicate with each other and did not know the real enemy…led astray so to speak! Kennedys sell out at the bay of pigs was a disaster for the freedom loving cubans…the anti-reds came out of hiding with their weapons to help in the liberation of cuba and were thus captured…later Kennedy actually paid castro some 55million dollars for ransom for the release of these same sold out patriots…go figure!!! Notice what happened after our president was murdered by a Red…was communism outlawed in america,college professors who brainwashed the students put on leave…(I had these traitors in college as well) no…the first cry came for …no more weapons purchased by mail…also .sob,do away with cap pistols for kids.and no more ‘hate’ letters against our elected leaders…oh well,it cant happen here…There was very little crime out west for all were armed…as it is in gym parking lots…very little crime for the punks know better…Pas
 
Women police officers. I’ve seen them get flattened as well. But as for the rest. Skills may carry the day, But generally. Might makes right.😉
You ae correct. The bigger man almost always wins a fight where both fighters have equal skills. This scenario has been happened over and over again in judo in the Olympics. Size, weight and strength do matter. A woman would get killed.

Colt is the man who made women and men equal. It only takes 3-4 pounds of pressure to pull a trigger.
 
If I am reading post 323 correctly, it recommends for students and professors to carry loaded weapons to class. I would oppose this for reasons I gave above.
Guns are already carried in the schools of Israel. When is the last time that you heard of a shooting in Israeli schools? There is a reason that terrorists in Israel no longer use guns.

I am willing to bet that you have talked to people who were carrying concealed weapons. I think that we need a new mindset about guns if we are going to limit violence in this country. Emotional arguments against guns are just that, emotion. Emotion never soved any problem.
 
Kind of like the taliban is showing us over in Afganistan right now for instance…
Yes, like they showed to the Soviets during the 1980s as well.

A disarmed society has only surrender as an option, be it to a burglar or an invading army. Learn from history!
 
You can’t prove a negative. You can only disprove a positive. If you disagree that emotion never soved any problem, then you need to provide proof where an emotional solution was better than a logical one.
 
You can’t prove a negative. You can only disprove a positive. If you disagree that emotion never soved any problem, then you need to provide proof where an emotional solution was better than a logical one.
Gun Control: Myths and Realities
by David Lampo

David Lampo is the publications director at the Cato Institute.
Added to cato.org on May 13, 2000

This article appeared on cato.org on May 13, 2000.

The number of well-publicized public shootings during the past few years, especially the tragedy at Columbine High School, has re-energized the gun control movement. As a show of strength, a coalition of gun control groups has organized a “Million Mom March” to be held in Washington, D.C. on Mother’s Day, an event designed to stir up EMOTIONS rather than promote rational thought. And when one looks at the facts about gun control, it’s easy to see why the anti-gun lobby relies on EMOTION rather than logic to make its case.

Think you know the facts about gun control? If your only source of information is the mainstream media, what you think you know may not be correct. Take the quiz below and test your knowledge.
  1. Thousands of children die annually in gun accidents.
False. Gun accidents involving children are actually at record lows, although you wouldn’t know it from listening to the mainstream media. In 1997, the last year for which data are available, only 142 children under 15 years of age died in gun accidents, and the total number of gun-related deaths for this age group was 642. More children die each year in accidents involving bikes, space heaters or drownings. The often repeated claim that 12 children per day die from gun violence includes “children” up to 20 years of age, the great majority of whom are young adult males who die in gang-related violence.
 
In this article that I wrote, I show how the media can play on your EMOTIONS with as little as an adjective or two.

Pope Benedict XVI and Terri Schiavo

The way a newspaper reports the news is critical. An adjective here and a “turn of a phrase” there can totally slant the news. Consider our local newspaper article, “With Pope Benedict’s ascent, U.S. conservatives score big.” By using the word “conservative” the newspaper puts a false label on the new pope. Catholics are conservative, moderate or liberal? That is dogma, according to the newspaper. However, the label “conservative” is not a dogma of the Catholic Church. Truth does not carry a label.

According to the newspaper article, “Catholic liberals believe it would be both wise and just for the church to loosen up on doctrinal demands.” That is the same error that Judas made about the teachings of Jesus. Some of the “doctrinal demands” of the Catholic Church are the right to life, opposition to birth control and opposition to “gay” marriages. No pope can change those “doctrinal demands.” Truth is immutable. It does not change. Pope Benedict XVI, formerly Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, will defend the truth. One of the new pope’s key gifts is his ability to articulate the fact that there is such a thing as truth. That does not make him a conservative, moderate or liberal.

Another newspaper article is titled, “New pope made risky choices during World War II.” This Associated Press article came out of Germany. The article says, “The future Pope Benedict XVI, whose choices then – enrolling in the Hitler Youth as required and the Army when drafted as he approached age 18 – allowed him to survive…Because Benedict acknowledged his past and because of the circumstances of his involvement, most people, including Jewish groups in Germany and Israel, have been understanding.” The words, “risky” and “understanding” in the article are a delicate choice of words. Suppose I were to substitute the words “wrong” for “risky” and “forgiving” for “understanding?” Then the article would state that the new pope made the wrong choices during World War II, but Jewish groups forgave him because he acknowledged his past and because of the circumstances of his past. Throw enough mud and some of it will stick. The new pope will be forever linked with the Nazi Party.

One of the easiest forms of slanting the news is by not reporting it. I call this censorship by omission. The newspapers either do not report a story, or they bury the story on a back page. My father subscribed to the Washington Times. Stories that were front-page news in the Washington Times were often missing in the local newspaper. It seems that local newspapers are just copying machines for the Associated Press (AP). If the news is not on the newswire, it doesn’t exist.

The Terri Shiavo story was a huge media event. I sent our local newspaper statements from Catholic sources on the Terri Schiavo story. The news releases were about the right to life, feeding and hydration. The statements were from Cardinal Renato Martino, the Vatican’s President of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, Cardinal Keeler and Bishop Michael Sheridan, bishop of the diocese of Colorado Springs. Additionally, there was a press release by the Diocese of LaCrosse by the Most Reverned Jerome Listecki on the death of Terri Schiavo. Our local newspaper knowingly refused to print any of these Catholic press releases. Catholics in my city have to pay for any religious statements. It seems that religious news has a price tag on it.

Terri Schiavo died and a nation cried. The future Pope Benedict XVI put it eloquently, “(A) State which arrogates to itself the prerogative of defining which human beings are or are not the subject of rights, and which consequently grants to some the power to violate others’ fundamental right to life, contradicts the democratic ideal to which it continues to appeal and undermines the very foundation on which it is built.”

The Russian word for truth is “pravda.” The Russian newspaper, Pravda, still exists. Some Russians contend that there was no truth in Pravda under communism. Is the western news media any different? The news media attacked the new pope within a few hours after he was elected. The news media also failed to report adequately the Christian side of the Terri Schiavo story.

What is truth? That is the question that echoes throughout the ages. “In philosophy, it is contended that there was no such thing as Truth ‘with a capital T’; truth is purely ambulatory-we make it as we go. Truth is merely a point of view for each man. (Truth) is his own measure of what is true and what is good. Naturally, such a system produces as many philosophies as there are heads…(However,) truth is not something that we invent; if we do, it is a lie; rather it is something we discover, like love…To want to speak the truth, it must be loved” (Sheen 326).

Catholics rejoice in the election of Pope Benedict XVI. He will be a blessing for the pro-life movement. There is comfort in the fact that there is such a thing as truth, particularly the truth that life is sacred. The news media see enforcing doctrinal orthodoxy in conflict with reaching out and welcoming all of humanity. The news media seem to have a different agenda than the new pope. That would explain the media’s slanting of the news and censorship by omission.

Works Cited
Sheen, Fulton. The Quotable Fulton Sheen. New York: Doubleday, 1989.
 
Prove it.
Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Charles MacKay

The Madness Of Crowds

The Force of EMOTION

“One way to see the market is as a disorganized crowd of individuals whose sole common purpose is to ascertain the future mood of the market (the balance of power between bulls and bears) and thereby profit from a correct trading decision today. However, it’s important to realize that the crowd is comprised of a variety of individuals, each one prone to competing and conflicting EMOTIONS. Optimism and pessimism, hope and fear - all these emotions can exist in one investor at different times or in multiple investors or groups at the same time. In any trading decision, the primary goal is to make sense of this crush of EMOTION, thereby evaluating the psychology of the market crowd. (To read more on behavioral finance, see Taking A Chance On Behavioral Finance, Understanding Investor Behavior and Mad Money … Mad Market?)”

The Nature of Crowds

"The key to such widespread phenomena lies in the nature of the crowd: the way in which a collection of usually **calm, rational individuals can be overwhelmed by such EMOTION **when it appears their peers are behaving in a certain universal manner. Those who study human behavior have repeatedly found that the fear of missing an opportunity for profits is a more enduring motivator than the fear of losing one’s life savings. At its fundamental level, this fear of being left out or failing when your friends, relatives and neighbors seem to be making a killing, drives the overwhelming power of the crowd.”
 
  1. Thousands of children die annually in gun accidents.
False. Gun accidents involving children are actually at record lows, although you wouldn’t know it from listening to the mainstream media. In 1997, the last year for which data are available, only 142 children under 15 years of age died in gun accidents, and the total number of gun-related deaths for this age group was 642. More children die each year in accidents involving bikes, space heaters or drownings. The often repeated claim that 12 children per day die from gun violence includes “children” up to 20 years of age, the great majority of whom are young adult males who die in gang-related violence.
Precisely put; I lived in cities for almost thirty years of my life and I almost never heard of a single genuine account of an actual child dying because of an accident with a gun. On the other hand, I heard innumerable accounts of gangland punks killing each other every year. It’s just another case of phony statistics inflated by anti-gun liberal extremists with an agenda to push.
 
Precisely put; I lived in cities for almost thirty years of my life and I almost never heard of a single genuine account of an actual child dying because of an accident with a gun. On the other hand, I heard innumerable accounts of gangland punks killing each other every year. It’s just another case of phony statistics inflated by anti-gun liberal extremists with an agenda to push.
My experience has been different. I think last year we had a twelve year old honor student shot in the head, at a party on the second floor of a building, by an errant round. Someone had attempted to ‘sweep’ the street. I can remember kids shot in the womb because of gun accidents. A child died in suburban Evanston last year from an accidental gun shot. Finally, my babysitter’s parochial school son died at age thirteen from an accidental gun shooting by a friend fifteen year ago.

Those are apolitical facts. It is difficult not to know of city children killed in gun accidents.

FRANKTON, Ind. - Police say a central Indiana teenager died in an apparent accidental shooting committed by his older brother. (1/18/10)

NORTH MYRTLE BEACH - Authorities have released the name of a North Myrtle Beach boy killed Friday evening following an accidental shooting. (1/21/10)

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) --A local father charged in connection with his 9-year-old son’s accidental shooting death is back in Pittsburgh today after being found in Vietnam. (1/23/10)
 
My experience has been different. I think last year we had a twelve year old honor student shot in the head, at a party on the second floor of a building, by an errant round. Someone had attempted to ‘sweep’ the street. I can remember kids shot in the womb because of gun accidents. A child died in suburban Evanston last year from an accidental gun shot. Finally, my babysitter’s parochial school son died at age thirteen from an accidental gun shooting by a friend fifteen year ago.

Those are apolitical facts. It is difficult not to know of city children killed in gun accidents.

FRANKTON, Ind. - Police say a central Indiana teenager died in an apparent accidental shooting committed by his older brother. (1/18/10)

NORTH MYRTLE BEACH - Authorities have released the name of a North Myrtle Beach boy killed Friday evening following an accidental shooting. (1/21/10)

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) --A local father charged in connection with his 9-year-old son’s accidental shooting death is back in Pittsburgh today after being found in Vietnam. (1/23/10)
No one doubts that accidents occasionally happen. The problem is that hoplophobes tend to deal with the problem disproportionately. A logical approach would be to do a parretto analysis of all the causes of child hood deaths and deal with the big ones first. After that you deal with the fringe causes. To address the causes out of that order reeks of political motivation.
 
My experience has been different. I think last year we had a twelve year old honor student shot in the head, at a party on the second floor of a building, by an errant round. Someone had attempted to ‘sweep’ the street. I can remember kids shot in the womb because of gun accidents. A child died in suburban Evanston last year from an accidental gun shot. Finally, my babysitter’s parochial school son died at age thirteen from an accidental gun shooting by a friend fifteen year ago.

Those are apolitical facts. It is difficult not to know of city children killed in gun accidents.

FRANKTON, Ind. - Police say a central Indiana teenager died in an apparent accidental shooting committed by his older brother. (1/18/10)

NORTH MYRTLE BEACH - Authorities have released the name of a North Myrtle Beach boy killed Friday evening following an accidental shooting. (1/21/10)

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) --A local father charged in connection with his 9-year-old son’s accidental shooting death is back in Pittsburgh today after being found in Vietnam. (1/23/10)
Accidents are one thing, and accidents can and do happen with many more things and situations than firearms. More children die in car accidents and drown than perish of actual accidents with guns each year.

Besides, some of the examples you’ve cited are murders. Murders are not accidents, they are deliberately planned and carried out with malicious or otherwise careless intent. It’s one thing if a child gets into an unsecured gun safe, manages to load a firearm, and accidentally shoots someone - it’s quite another for some local thug to shoot someone at school or for the local gang to do a drive-by. Or, for local criminals to break into homes or mug and carjack out in public. Do you see the difference?

Accidents are tragic, involve no criminals nor criminal behavior, and are a horse of an entirely different color than murders planned by dangerous, rogue humans - the very reason that firearms should be widely and easily available to the civilized public. The playing field must be leveled, if not tipped to the advantage of civilized society altogether. The culture of trammeling the law-abiding in the misguided hope that criminal behavior will be in any way affected must cease.
 
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