Revolvers for Everyone!

[Mickey_Finn]

I’m sure that the “the cycling of a pump action shotgun” as stated earlier will not only act as a deterrent, but will send them running for the hills.

Ah, something we agree on. If they don’t run. They came to kill you. I do prefer a shot gun for home defense.

In my experience.

1, Children do get shot accidently. Sometimes by playmates. Sometimes during a drive-by.
2, Guns do protect people and property.
3, Well handled guns, and dogs rarily hurt anyone unitentionally.

The perfect world is the next one. For this one, firearms are a distinct advantage. If you choose not to own one, thats fine. To argue that hand guns are not necessary. Is foolish.
When I was in the army I carried a .45. When I got out, I added a pistol to my arsenal ASAP. I’ve not been without one since. The advantages of modern pistols un deniable. They are safe, accurate, reliable, and are easy to maintain. Why then do I rely on a shotgun for home defense? Because if they are willing to run away when I rack it. I’m willing to let them.

ATB

 

[royal_archer]

You, my friend, need a higher capacity magazine!!!

It’s an M97(not original), I figured I’d trade firepower for nostalgia.

 

[chriso]

It’s an M97(not original), I figured I’d trade firepower for nostalgia.

That sounds like nostalgia AND firepower to me!

 

[sidbrown]

Ah, something we agree on. If they don’t run. They came to kill you. I do prefer a shot gun for home defense.

In my experience.

1, Children do get shot accidently. Sometimes by playmates. Sometimes during a drive-by.
2, Guns do protect people and property.
3, Well handled guns, and dogs rarily hurt anyone unitentionally.

The perfect world is the next one. For this one, firearms are a distinct advantage. If you choose not to own one, thats fine. To argue that hand guns are not necessary. Is foolish.
When I was in the army I carried a .45. When I got out, I added a pistol to my arsenal ASAP. I’ve not been without one since. The advantages of modern pistols un deniable. They are safe, accurate, reliable, and are easy to maintain. Why then do I rely on a shotgun for home defense? Because if they are willing to run away when I rack it. I’m willing to let them.

ATB

You say that dogs rarely hurt anyone intentionally? The most recent official survey, conducted more than a decade ago, determined there were 4.7 million dog bite victims annually in the USA. I think that 4.7 million people per year in the USA is not rarely, but very frequently. It is important that everyone be armed and vigilant against these vicious attack dogs.

dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html

 

[Lycorth]

You said you had lived in cities for decades and never heard of a child accidentally killed with a gun. That is highly unlikely.

Actually, I said it was rare, not “never”. However, you must understand that I draw a marked distinction between an innocent 15-year old who gets into an unsecured gun case and a 15-year old criminal or gangbanger (and there are plenty of those); I do not consider the latter to be “children” since they have chosen to behave as criminal adults.

Firearms are not the be-all and end-all of family protection. I don’t consider them the ‘most advanced method.’

They are the be-all and end-all and they are the most advanced method by far. Otherwise, you would hunt with something else, not a firearm, if you are the hunter you claim to be.

That you give heed to bleeding heart liberals and their inaccurate propaganda about children dying in heaps every day from guns in America does not change the facts about firearms.

As shown, a dog will prevent a break-in but a firearm will not.

Shown by whom? Dogs can, and have been, incapacitated by burglars. And as mentioned, a dog can only focus on one attacker at once. More than one can get by or hurt the dog while it’s distracted. Then what?

A dog will confine his attacks to a felon but a handgun round can penetrate a house from one end to another, hitting kids in between.

And a dog can bite the same children if it isn’t trained properly. Not a cogent argument against firearms.

There are a wide variety of calibers, bullet types, and firearms for home defense. Over-penetration is easily avoided, especially with training and practice in addition to the correct equipment.

Again, more children die in car accidents and drowning each year than by firearms accidents. If you aren’t on a rant against swimming and automobiles, you can’t be on the same rant against firearms.

My first boss had his daughter killed by her husband. He was cleaning a handgun and did not eject a round in the chamber and killed his wife in the next room, the bullet penetrating the drywall. A shotgun is better for home protection, but still can have unintended victims.

Your first boss is to blame, not the handgun. One of the first lessons we are all taught in hunter’s safety is to check the firearm to make sure it is unloaded before cleaning it. If you are a hunter, you are aware of that. Not a cogent argument.

Shotguns are more capable than handguns by default, as they fire larger and more powerful ammunition. But, as mentioned, handguns have distinct advantages that shotguns cannot have, such as mobility in tight areas, and as I said before, there are plenty of calibers and bullet types for handguns to prevent over-penetration.

Plus, the question of what is legally an infringement on the right to bear arms is a political question which has been discussed *ad nauseum.

• Folks in Chicago know that the US Supreme Court is currently considering who may not infringe and the extent of allowable infringement.

The text of the Second Amendment is quite clear that our right to bear arms shall not be infringed. There is nothing to debate about.

Heller really had little to do with the amount of crime in DC. The NRA really has taken to heart one of the lessons of the civil rights era: “Choose your litigants carefully.” You knew that Rosa Parks was not the first person to challenge the segregated seating in Montgomery in the fifties, right?

Now, the NRA in the McDonald case says, in brief, that the litigant lives in a ‘high crime area’. Actually, the guy lives in one of the lower crime areas of the city, but the brief is trying to make an emotional case.

The facts are that DC is an extremely high-crime area and, after thousands of murders and rapes and burglaries, the Supreme Court is finally doing something intelligent in response to the illegal gun regulations in DC. If DC were a peaceful paradise, this would probably not be happening.

Well, that is irrelevant.

Why is it irrelevant? Because it strikes too near the mark?

It is perfectly relevant because Americans can’t see the forest for the trees. Americans can’t see just how bad things are in this country and how bad they are poised to become as a result. When thousands of Americans buy into the propaganda of children dying in piles every day from guns in America and vote for scum like Obama who have proven that they will disarm more Americans if given half a chance, Americans clearly need to have their bread and circuses disappear. When Walmart isn’t open anymore and the 401Ks vanish and the lily-white suburbs become as bad as the inner cities (in which most of the anti-gun do not live and hence do not understand), then and only then will most Americans be forced to deal with this problem and the rest of our country’s problems.

We are trying to raise the alarm ahead of time, but people have to pull their own heads out of the sand, first.

 

[Mickey_Finn]

You say that dogs rarely hurt anyone intentionally? The most recent official survey, conducted more than a decade ago, determined there were 4.7 million dog bite victims annually in the USA. I think that 4.7 million people per year in the USA is not rarely, but very frequently. It is important that everyone be armed and vigilant against these vicious attack dogs.

dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html

I said “Well handled guns and dogs rarily hurt anyone unitentionally.”

ATB

 

[sidbrown]

I said “Well handled guns and dogs rarily hurt anyone unitentionally.”

ATB

4.7 million dog bites per year in the USA alone indicates that people need to fear these vicious dogs. Similarly with guns. If you want to emphasize this business about well=handled, who is going to determine whether guns or dogs are well handled. In most cases of dog bites, the wone simply can say that the bite was an accident and the dog is well handled. So the phrase well handled does not offer any consolation to the millions of people who have been bitten by the vicious animals.

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

It was stated: “Precisely put; I lived in cities for almost thirty years of my life and I almost never heard of a single genuine account of an actual child dying because of an accident with a gun.”

Today: “A 13-year-old boy accidentally shot his 8-year-old sister in her face Sunday with a real pistol while the siblings played with toy guns in their Niles home, officials said. The siblings were playing in their basement when the boy shot his sister with a .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol about 3:40 p.m. in the 8600 block of North Oketo, police said.”

suntimes.com/news/metro/2009537,CST-NWS-shoot25.article

Your statement is past unlikely.

 

[sidbrown]

It was stated: “Precisely put; I lived in cities for almost thirty years of my life and I almost never heard of a single genuine account of an actual child dying because of an accident with a gun.”

Today: “A 13-year-old boy accidentally shot his 8-year-old sister in her face Sunday with a real pistol while the siblings played with toy guns in their Niles home, officials said. The siblings were playing in their basement when the boy shot his sister with a .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol about 3:40 p.m. in the 8600 block of North Oketo, police said.”

suntimes.com/news/metro/2009537,CST-NWS-shoot25.article

Your statement is past unlikely.

Horror stories like this are occurring everyday and the push by people here to have every student carry a loaded gun to school will only lead to more horror stories like this.

 

[royal_archer]

Horror stories like this are occurring everyday and the push by people here to have every student carry a loaded gun to school will only lead to more horror stories like this.

Why can’t yoiu discuss the issues on the merit instead of trying to malign the posters here? no one said anything about EVERY student, much less 8 and 13 year olds. What has been said here deals with adult students who are old enough to serve our military.

If you can disagree with one of our arguements please do so but don’t create some false silly arguement and then challenge it.

 

[royal_archer]

It was stated: “Precisely put; I lived in cities for almost thirty years of my life and I almost never heard of a single genuine account of an actual child dying because of an accident with a gun.”

Today: “A 13-year-old boy accidentally shot his 8-year-old sister in her face Sunday with a real pistol while the siblings played with toy guns in their Niles home, officials said. The siblings were playing in their basement when the boy shot his sister with a .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol about 3:40 p.m. in the 8600 block of North Oketo, police said.”

suntimes.com/news/metro/2009537,CST-NWS-shoot25.article

Your statement is past unlikely.

Ands kids drown in bath tubs, why don’t you advocate getting rid of them?

 

[chriso]

This example of parents who didnt educate their children in firearm safety, teenagers believing its ok to steal guns from their relatives, relatives who didnt properly store their guns, and so on, does little to convince me that the answer is to take away my right to responsibly own firearms. No more than the stories about dog attacks convinces me that the answer is to regulare dog ownership either. Somewhere in this circle of tragedy lies individuals with responsibilites for their actions, or lack of actions. They do need to be held accountable, but not the general citizenship.

 

[sidbrown]

This example of parents who didnt educate their children in firearm safety, teenagers believing its ok to steal guns from their relatives, relatives who didnt properly store their guns, and so on, does little to convince me that the answer is to take away my right to responsibly own firearms. No more than the stories about dog attacks convinces me that the answer is to regulare dog ownership either. Somewhere in this circle of tragedy lies individuals with responsibilites for their actions, or lack of actions. They do need to be held accountable, but not the general citizenship.

Yeah. Hold them accountable, while an innocent person lies on his deathbed, suffering horribly from these terrible wounds inflicted by either guns or dogs. They made a small mistake, so why punish them with anything more than a few weeks of community service?

 

[sidbrown]

Why can’t yoiu discuss the issues on the merit instead of trying to malign the posters here? no one said anything about EVERY student, much less 8 and 13 year olds. What has been said here deals with adult students who are old enough to serve our military.

If you can disagree with one of our arguements please do so but don’t create some false silly arguement and then challenge it.

False arguments???
The thread is entitled: “Revolvers for Everyone!”

Guns are already carried in the schools of Israel. .

“Gun free” school zones are a terrible idea. .

 

[chriso]

I thought “gun free school zones” meant them not allowing me to carry in a shool zone?

I checked out the story about the accidental shooting in the face of the young girl, thank God it wasnt a fatal accident.

Regretably, just below the story was another story about a woman beign robbed and beaten with a pistol… she was unarmed.

 

[royal_archer]

False arguments???
The thread is entitled: “Revolvers for Everyone!”

Rasonable people would not need to know that the title was not refering to those too young to be responsible for their own actions.

 

[Lycorth]

It was stated: “Precisely put; I lived in cities for almost thirty years of my life and I almost never heard of a single genuine account of an actual child dying because of an accident with a gun.”

Today: “A 13-year-old boy accidentally shot his 8-year-old sister in her face Sunday with a real pistol while the siblings played with toy guns in their Niles home, officials said. The siblings were playing in their basement when the boy shot his sister with a .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol about 3:40 p.m. in the 8600 block of North Oketo, police said.”

suntimes.com/news/metro/2009537,CST-NWS-shoot25.article

Your statement is past unlikely.

Yes, I said “almost never”; I underlined, bolded, and italicized the quantifying word, since you seem to have misunderstood. Almost never, to the majority of the English-speaking population of the world, would imply that whatever it was that I was claiming almost never happened does happen, but very rarely. The fact you have to cite a lone example here and there reinforces my point precisely.

Therefore, instead of being “beyond unlikely”, my statement is spot-on.

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

Yes, I said “almost never”; I underlined, bolded, and italicized the quantifying word, since you seem to have misunderstood. Almost never, to the majority of the English-speaking population of the world, would imply that whatever it was that I was claiming almost never happened does happen, but very rarely. The fact you have to cite a lone example here and there reinforces my point precisely.

Therefore, instead of being “beyond unlikely”, my statement is spot-on.

I showed you **four **examples in the last sixty days and you ‘almost never’ in thirty years? That’s past highly unlikely.

Look, you made an inaccurate statement. Time to move on.

 

[sidbrown]

Rasonable people would not need to know that the title was not refering to those too young to be responsible for their own actions.

People in college are old enough to vote and old enough to serve in the US Armed forces. If they are old enought to serve in the US Armed Forces, it means that the United States of America thinks that they are old enough to carry weapons responsibly.
Regardless of that, I still do not think it is a good idea for every student to carry a loaded weapon to class. As I mentioned, there is always the possibility of the student getting angry at the teacher for some reason or another and at the spur of the moment, he could draw his weapon and kill several innocent people. This is more likely to happen if you are going to have loaded revolvers for every student on campus.

 

[Sir_Knight]

I showed you **four **examples in the last sixty days and you ‘almost never’ in thirty years? That’s past highly unlikely.

Look, you made an inaccurate statement. Time to move on.

I have my life threatened once or twice a month on average. Some people go through their entire lives and never have their life threatened even once. Should I tell them that I find THEIR experience HIGHLY unlikely and accuse them of making an inaccurate statement?