Revolvers for Everyone!

[chriso]

buying a firearm from someone you do not know may back fire (pun intended). If you are not an expert and buy a weapon from other than a reputable dealer, take it to a gun smith and have it checked out. Of course for the cost of getting it checked out you may as well just buy from a reputable dealer whom you can take it back to if there is a problem.

Additionally, unless you were raised up with firearms safety drilled into your very being, its probably a good idea to arrange some training if you are about to arm yourself, a reaputable dealer is a good source to locating that resource in your local area as well.

 

[wabrams]

Hey everyone, do you feel safer as more and more people are bringing loaded guns and assault weapons into Dunkin Donuts, Starbucks, restaurants and Catholic Churches. And do you like this idea of selling guns to anyone with no background checks, no ID’s, and no registration? This is what these gun manufacturers and gun dealers want. This is their hidden agenda. They want the criminals to have the right to buy guns and assault weapons not only at gun shows but also at places such as your local Dunkin Donut, without any ID, and no background check, and no registration. This is so because as more and more criminals are able to buy guns on the gray market without registering them, people will justifiably become fearful and go out and become a client of the gun manufacturer by purchasing their own gun out of fear for their safety. Thus we see a spiral of more profit for these gun manufacturers in motion. Presently more than 30,000 U.S. men, women and children die each year from gunshot wounds, the highest homicide rate from guns in the world. Of those 30,000 deaths, only about 1,500 are due to accidental shootings. As more and more unregistered guns become available to the criminal element, this horrible cancer of death and sorrow from gunshot wounds will only go up.

Completely unsubstantiated. Unless you can prove otherwise, then you need to recant your statement.

 

[sidbrown]

Oh, please.

I am licensed to carry a handgun, and I haven’t hurt anybody. There are millions like me around the country. As the famous bumper sticker says, “Ted Kennedy’s car has killed more people than my gun has.”

Inflammatory (not to mention incorrect) statements such as yours don’t add to the debate.

More people are killed every year by drunk drivers than by firearm murders, and a quarter-million people are injured every year in alcohol-related crashes…so which should we ban? Cars or alcohol?

I am talking about the gun show loophole which people do not want to close. According to this loophole, criminals and gansters can buy guns at Dunkin Donuts or Churches or at gun shows with no id, no background check, and no registration. With so many criminals and gangs buying more and more unregistered guns and assault weapons, of course, the general populace becomes more fearful and will rush out to buy guns for their defense,. So we have a never ending spiral of more and more guns all to the benefit of the gun manufacturers and to the detriment of children being gunned down on the streets of our cities.

 

[sidbrown]

Completely unsubstantiated. Unless you can prove otherwise, then you need to recant your statement.

Hoyert DL, Arias E, Smith BL, Murphy SL, Kochanek, KD. Deaths: Final Data for 1999. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2001;49 (8). This covers the 30,000 figure.
For the accidental gun death figure of 1500 see:
rense.com/general62/gns.htm

 

[spn82756]

Completely unsubstantiated. Unless you can prove otherwise, then you need to recant your statement.

I think you will find that sidbrown posts gibberish. In another thread he has declared that caning in cool. It’s supported in the Bible. He rarely answers posts that challenge him.

 

[sidbrown]

I think you will find that sidbrown posts gibberish. In another thread he has declared that caning in cool. It’s supported in the Bible. He rarely answers posts that challenge him.

Also see:ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/27/2/214.pdf
“The rate of firearm deaths in the United States (14.24 per
100 000) exceeds that of its economic counterparts (1.76) eightfold…”
This rate indicates that the number of deaths due to firearms is much more than 30,000.
If you take the population of the USA as 307,000,000, then the rate quoted here would put the number of deaths due to firearms as 43,000 or more.

 

[spn82756]

Also see:ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/27/2/214.pdf
“The rate of firearm deaths in the United States (14.24 per
100 000) exceeds that of its economic counterparts (1.76) eightfold…”
This rate indicates that the number of deaths due to firearms is much more than 30,000.
If you take the population of the USA as 307,000,000, then the rate quoted here would put the number of deaths due to firearms as 43,000 or more.

I now it’s from another thread…and you refused to answer…but have you sold all you have and given it to the poor in order to follow Christ. Still waiting for the answer. Since you seem to take a very fundamental approach to scripture.

 

[spn82756]

Also see:ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/27/2/214.pdf
“The rate of firearm deaths in the United States (14.24 per
100 000) exceeds that of its economic counterparts (1.76) eightfold…”
This rate indicates that the number of deaths due to firearms is much more than 30,000.
If you take the population of the USA as 307,000,000, then the rate quoted here would put the number of deaths due to firearms as 43,000 or more.

ummmm…your link is from 12 years ago.

 

[sidbrown]

Completely unsubstantiated. Unless you can prove otherwise, then you need to recant your statement.

"Death due to injuries from firearms is an increasingly important public health problem. As a group, injuries from firearms were the ninth leading cause of death overall in 1994 and the fourth leading cause of years of potential life lost before age 65 (NCIPC, unpublished data). During the 33-year period covered by this report, the total number of firearm deaths increased by 130%, from 16,720 in 1962 to 38,505 in 1994. If present trends continue, firearm-related injuries could become the leading cause of deaths attributed to injury by the year 2003, surpassing injuries due to motor vehicle crashes. "
cdc.gov/ncipc/pub-res/firarmsu.htm

 

[royal_archer]

sidbrown:
No one is advocating selling guns to criminals, The drivers license check would be an efficient way of verifying guns do not get to criminals. As would throwing criminals in jail. What party wants go to soft on violent crime?

soyouwanna.com/site/toptens/accidents/accidentsfull.html

There are so many interesting ways to die in America, that we felt it was just wrong to limit it to the most frequent causes, which are all boring diseases and infections and stuff. (Except in Alaska, where suicide generally makes it into the top ten.) You want to hear about the terrible calamities, the tragic consequences of an error in judgment or a general lack of coordination. Do we ever disappoint?

1. CAUSES OF DEATH 10 - 8
2. Machinery
   Deaths per year: 350

We can thank the farmers of America for the inclusion of this particular misfortune as a cause of death. Between corn-huskers and wheat-threshers, is it a wonder? The reason it is last on the list is that there just aren’t enough people in farming these days. Ironically, they have all been replaced by machines. Hmm accident, or deliberate act by wanton machinery? We may never know.

1. Medical & Surgical Complications and Misadventures
   Deaths per year: 500
   While we are incredibly insensitive people, we did not coin the term “medical misadventure”- the National Safety Council did. How is death by surgeon a “misadventure?” While we’re not sure, we suspect that this number refers to elective surgeries that people undertake, such as liposuction. After all, the removal of a brain tumor is not usually considered to be an “adventure.”
2. Poisoning by gases
   Deaths per year: 700

There’s nothing like the smell of napalm in the morning In this category, you mostly have deaths by carbon monoxide poisoning due to faulty operation of a heating or cooking appliance, or a standing automobile. We assume, however, that the noxious gasses emitted by Uncle Albert qualify too.

1. CAUSES OF DEATH 7 - 5
2. Firearms
   Deaths per year: 1,500

We can thank our second amendment rights for all 1500 of these deaths; call it the “right to die” amendment. You probably don’t want to know how many countries in the world do not even have “accidental death by firearms” on their top ten, or their top twenty. Suffice it to say that it’s most of them. Of the 1500, you’re looking at about 75% young males between the age of 14 and 25 (and getting younger every year), who unintentionally shoot themselves or someone else. For more information on the place of guns in society, click over to our pros and cons section.

1. Suffocation
   Deaths per year: 3,300

Call this one the “Heimlich” section, as these deaths mostly resulted from blockages of the respiratory system by food or other objects.

1. Fires and burns
   Deaths per year: 3,700

This would include deaths resulting from fires, such as smoke inhalation, falling beams, and sitting through Backdraft. Ironic that cancer is number two on the total deaths list, and a by-product of smoking is responsible for one of the top causes of accidental deaths. Are we getting the picture that this is a dangerous pastime? What kind of warnings do we have to put on these boxes, anyway?

1. CAUSES OF DEATH 4 - 2
2. Drowning
   Deaths per year: 4,000
   This includes all sorts of drownings in boat accidents and those resulting from swimming, playing in the water, falling in, or even having a bath. The human body is what, 70% water? And we begin our lives in a watery environment, there’s lots of oxygen in water what’s the deal? Something for the scientists to work on.
3. Poisoning by solids and liquids
   Deaths per year: 8,600

These would be all your commonly recognized poisons, as well as such items as mushrooms, shellfish, drug overdoses, and problems with medicines-which is a wide category, and why it is so high on the list. What they leave out is things like food poisoning or salmonella, which they classify as “disease deaths” and place on another list.

1. Falls
   Deaths per year: 14,900

Then we come to the America’s Funniest Home Videos category of accidental death, including falls from ladders, down stairs, over curbs, off buses, into manholes, and through plate glass windows.

1. THE MOST COMMON CAUSE OF ACCIDENTAL DEATH
2. Motor vehicle crashes
   Deaths per year: 43,200

The winner, by a ridiculously huge (and ever-increasing) margin is: death by car wreck. Head on collision, sideswipe, single-vehicle smash-up, full car rollover, pedestrian takedown, choking on own carsick vomit, spontaneous combustion-the fun never stops for car owners. Try air travel instead; it’s much safer. Do you see it anywhere on this list?

 

[royal_archer]

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HOMELAND REBELLION

State plan fines feds $2,000 over gun rules
2 years in jail also possible for agent enforcing U.S. regulations on firearm

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By Bob Unruh
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Could you please get us the link to this story?

 

[royal_archer]

I took you seriously until I read the third sentence.

Its obvious that most of the gun huggers would ever understand the true purpose of cars vs. handguns. Enjoy your weapons because if things go the way they are predicted, you’ll have to turn them in when the laws change regarding ownership rules.

So you admit they intend to confiscate guns?

 

[royal_archer]

Hoyert DL, Arias E, Smith BL, Murphy SL, Kochanek, KD. Deaths: Final Data for 1999. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2001;49 (8). This covers the 30,000 figure.
For the accidental gun death figure of 1500 see:
rense.com/general62/gns.htm

So maybe doctors should keep their mouths shut about the so called dangers of guns.

 

[sidbrown]

No one is advocating selling guns to criminals, The drivers license check would be an efficient way of verifying guns do not get to criminals. As would throwing criminals in jail. What party wants go to soft on violent crime?

Did not people here say that there is no gun show loophole? I did not see anyone here advocate the closing of the gun show loophole, which not only applies to gun shows, but also applies to guns bought and sold at Dunkin Donuts and at Church halls. And what is this gun show loophole that I have been tlaking about? It is simply the right to buy and sell guns with no ID, no background check, and no registration. Why did I not hear anyone say that they are in favor of closing this gun show loophole? What I have heard is that I am dishonest and a liar and that I have to recant my statistics? Of course as I have shown, this is pure bunk on the part of the gun proponents. The facts and the statistics are there and the only people who need to apologise and recant are those who have made these false and malicious accusations.

 

[wabrams]

Its obvious that most of the gun huggers would ever understand the true purpose of cars vs. handguns. Enjoy your weapons because if things go the way they are predicted, you’ll have to turn them in when the laws change regarding ownership rules.

So you have now stooped so low as to call us “gun huggers?” Just shows how weak your arguements are.

As to turning in our firearms, please show us evidence of this trend? Also, I wouldn’t count on most of America surrendering their guns. Police can’t come and take something that isn’t registered.

 

[royal_archer]

Did not people here say that there is no gun show loophole? I did not see anyone here advocate the closing of the gun show loophole, which not only applies to gun shows, but also applies to guns bought and sold at Dunkin Donuts and at Church halls. And what is this gun show loophole that I have been tlaking about? It is simply the right to buy and sell guns with no ID, no background check, and no registration. Why did I not hear anyone say that they are in favor of closing this gun show loophole? What I have heard is that I am dishonest and a liar and that I have to recant my statistics? Of course as I have shown, this is pure bunk on the part of the gun proponents. The facts and the statistics are there and the only people who need to apologise and recant are those who have made these false and malicious accusations.

you can’t close something that does not exist.

 

[wabrams]

Hoyert DL, Arias E, Smith BL, Murphy SL, Kochanek, KD. Deaths: Final Data for 1999. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2001;49 (8). This covers the 30,000 figure.
For the accidental gun death figure of 1500 see:
rense.com/general62/gns.htm

Great link showing how statistically low the rate of firearm death is. Doctor’s kill more people than guns.

"Death due to injuries from firearms is an increasingly important public health problem. As a group, injuries from firearms were the ninth leading cause of death overall in 1994 and the fourth leading cause of years of potential life lost before age 65 (NCIPC, unpublished data). During the 33-year period covered by this report, the total number of firearm deaths increased by 130%, from 16,720 in 1962 to 38,505 in 1994. If present trends continue, firearm-related injuries could become the leading cause of deaths attributed to injury by the year 2003, surpassing injuries due to motor vehicle crashes. "
cdc.gov/ncipc/pub-res/firarmsu.htm

That is a summary of a study finished in 1994. It says that by 2003, deaths attributed to firearms will surpass vehicular deaths; well we all know it isn’t anywhere close to surpassing that. That little summary failed to include the population growth comapred to the increased number of deaths by firearms. Adding that little tidbit can make a huge difference when looking at the overall picture.

 

[Shin]

1. THE MOST COMMON CAUSE OF ACCIDENTAL DEATH
2. Motor vehicle crashes
   Deaths per year: 43,200

The winner, by a ridiculously huge (and ever-increasing) margin is: death by car wreck. Head on collision, sideswipe, single-vehicle smash-up, full car rollover, pedestrian takedown, choking on own carsick vomit, spontaneous combustion-the fun never stops for car owners. Try air travel instead; it’s much safer. Do you see it anywhere on this list?

Of course there is also a class of people that tends to how shall we put it, overlap with the gun destruction advocates, in that they want us all to ride bicycles and get rid of the cars too.

In which case of course weathly people, criminals, government officials, and the ‘especially privileged and needy’ would be exempt yet again.

 

[Lycorth]

Hey everyone, do you feel safer as more and more people are bringing loaded guns and assault weapons into Dunkin Donuts, Starbucks, restaurants and Catholic Churches. And do you like this idea of selling guns to anyone with no background checks, no ID’s, and no registration? This is what these gun manufacturers and gun dealers want. This is their hidden agenda. They want the criminals to have the right to buy guns and assault weapons not only at gun shows but also at places such as your local Dunkin Donut, without any ID, and no background check, and no registration. This is so because as more and more criminals are able to buy guns on the gray market without registering them, people will justifiably become fearful and go out and become a client of the gun manufacturer by purchasing their own gun out of fear for their safety. Thus we see a spiral of more profit for these gun manufacturers in motion. Presently more than 30,000 U.S. men, women and children die each year from gunshot wounds, the highest homicide rate from guns in the world. Of those 30,000 deaths, only about 1,500 are due to accidental shootings. As more and more unregistered guns become available to the criminal element, this horrible cancer of death and sorrow from gunshot wounds will only go up.

First, there is no such thing as an “assault weapon”.

Second, the relaxation of gun laws and the increase in legal support for concealed carry and open carry of firearms hasn’t resulted in an epidemic of shootings in America.

Third, the so-called “children” who die of gun violence are mostly ghetto punks and assorted gangbangers who believe in criminal violence and have no moral compasses. The sins of the gang world cannot be used to justify disarming civilized human beings.

Interesting video. At the end of this video he states that:
The key to (“freedom”) is being able to defend oneself…with firearms of course.

Not exactly how I would define freedom

It’s an accurate definition. If you can’t defend a supposed right, how can you claim to have it? What a nation of weaklings modern liberalism has caused in those who trust to someone else to protect them.

How would such a statement be contested against what Jesus said:

[Those who live by the sword die by the sword]

Sure there might be a 1001 justifiable reasons why one might want to carry a firearm, but I seriously question it defining the true meaning of freedom.

I love how people twist Christ’s words to advocate pacifism.

Prior to this, in Matthew 26:52, Jesus tells Peter to put his sword back in its sheath. Not to throw it away, just to put it back, because if Peter chose to live by the sword and defend Jesus there, he’d die by it at the hands of the militarily superior Romans. In no way does this teach or imply that it’s wrong to own weapons for self-defense.

I can pull Scriptures out of thin air, too: in Luke 22:36 we read Jesus saying: He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It’s not for no good reason that private interpretation of the Scriptures is forbidden, especially when the vast majority of the time, Christ was giving instructions applicable to certain people at a certain juncture of history that has already long past. What is applicable to us now is taught to us through the official pronouncements of the Church, as God intended.

If God wanted us pacifistic, He’d have taught us to be thus, through the Church. No such teaching exists. The gun control issue can be argued from many viewpoints, but not religiously. There is no prohibition against owning weapons for self-defense according to Catholic Tradition.

 

[royal_archer]

First, there is no such thing as an “assault weapon”.

Battle axe, mace, etc. And if you are going to assault a castle you will of course need a trebuchet

Second, the relaxation of gun laws and the increase in legal support for concealed carry and open carry of firearms hasn’t resulted in an epidemic of shootings in America.

Third, the so-called “children” who die of gun violence are mostly ghetto punks and assorted gangbangers who believe in criminal violence and have no moral compasses. The sins of the gang world cannot be used to justify disarming civilized human beings.

You will notice that the ratio of gun crimes more closely matches the distribution of gang bangers than the distribution of guns.

I love how people twist Christ’s words to advocate pacifism.

Prior to this, in Matthew 26:52, Jesus tells Peter to put his sword back in its sheath. Not to throw it away, just to put it back, because if Peter chose to live by the sword and defend Jesus there, he’d die by it at the hands of the militarily superior Romans. In no way does this teach or imply that it’s wrong to own weapons for self-defense.

I can pull Scriptures out of thin air, too: in Luke 22:36 we read Jesus saying: He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It’s not for no good reason that private interpretation of the Scriptures is forbidden, especially when the vast majority of the time, Christ was giving instructions applicable to certain people at a certain juncture of history that has already long past. What is applicable to us now is taught to us through the official pronouncements of the Church, as God intended.

If God wanted us pacifistic, He’d have taught us to be thus, through the Church. No such teaching exists. The gun control issue can be argued from many viewpoints, but not religiously. There is no prohibition against owning weapons for self-defense according to Catholic Tradition.

And of course the old testament sheds additional light on God’s thoughts about us using weapons.