Richard Rohr and CAC

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I am a Richard Rohr dissenter, meaning I am active in my condemnation of what he espouses but must caution that the word “unholy” should not be used. There are deep levels of truth that may be erroneous in their conclusions made by those not yet fully transformed by the Holy Spirit and there are those who work to lead others to their “father” the Devil, but we don’t know the heart of either, so we just need to deal with what is said and written and how and why it deviates from Catholic Magisterial teachings.

Where the Church is eschatological and working toward the fulfillment of the Kingdom in heaven, there are those who get caught up in thinking that kingdom is temporal and work to bring heaven down to earth instead of we needing to be raised up to God by His work. The pantheistic thought inherent in these “new age” so-called “Catholic theologians” attest to this temporal mindset. Rohr’s “Cosmic Christ” is related to this “new age” spirituality but his view of the lack of “blood atonement” is typically Franciscan. In the end we must conform ourselves to the teachings of the Church and look for the transcendent God Who is totally other and reject those teaching another gospel such as a “Cosmic Christ”.
 
“Was a little caught off guard to see Richard Rohr’s name pop up on these lists of unholy dissenters and that he has incorporated occult practices into his retreat.”

Please give the URLs for these “unholy dissenter lists.” Thank you.~MFR
 
 
Earnest_Bunbury said:
I am a Richard Rohr dissenter, meaning I am active in my condemnation of what he espouses but must caution that the word “unholy” should not be used. There are deep levels of truth that may be erroneous in their conclusions made by those not yet fully transformed by the Holy Spirit and there are those who work to lead others to their “father” the Devil, but we don’t know the heart of either, so we just need to deal with what is said and written and how and why it deviates from Catholic Magisterial teachings.

Where the Church is eschatological and working toward the fulfillment of the Kingdom in heaven, there are those who get caught up in thinking that kingdom is temporal and work to bring heaven down to earth instead of we needing to be raised up to God by His work. The pantheistic thought inherent in these “new age” so-called “Catholic theologians” attest to this temporal mindset. Rohr’s “Cosmic Christ” is related to this “new age” spirituality but his view of the lack of “blood atonement” is typically Franciscan. In the end we must conform ourselves to the teachings of the Church and look for the transcendent God Who is totally other and reject those teaching another gospel such as a “Cosmic Christ”.
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As with all voices in the wilderness, Richard is often misinterpreted, and frequently attacked - he often shines a mirror on the Catholic church that it is not willing to look in or worse not willing to understand. It is easy to point at teachings like “Cosmic Christ” and find faults because the terms do not appear to align to the Catechism/dogma of the church. As his views are so widely debated it is clear that he strikes a nerve in spiritual seekers around the world. To dismiss him would be to choose to not hear the Spirit that is clearly alive in the good works of the CAC and is the very dualistic mindset that he so elegantly teaches we must all awaken out of.
 
tskrobacz said:
As with all voices in the wilderness, Richard is often misinterpreted, and frequently attacked - he often shines a mirror on the Catholic church that it is not willing to look in or worse not willing to understand. It is easy to point at teachings like “Cosmic Christ” and find faults because the terms do not appear to align to the Catechism/dogma of the church. As his views are so widely debated it is clear that he strikes a nerve in spiritual seekers around the world. To dismiss him would be to choose to not hear the Spirit that is clearly alive in the good works of the CAC and is the very dualistic mindset that he so elegantly teaches we must all awaken out of.
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Mine is not a cursory examination of Fr. Rohr. The teachings like “Cosmic Christ” don’t appear to align with the Church because they don’t. From one of “yosephdaviyd’s” links:
At a 2001 meeting in Los Angeles — specifically Cardinal Mahony’s Religious Education Congress — Father Rohr stated, ‘Everything the Catholic Church offers in the way of its sacramental rituals and moral and doctrinal teachings is an obstacle to having a relationship with God.’ His topic was titled ‘Religion as Membership vs. Religion as Transformation.’
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This is not a departure from what Fr. Rohr offers but is quintessential.
 
If you like dancing naked with other men in the desert, Fr. Rohr’s the guy for you.
 
Earnest_Bunbury said:
… From one of “yosephdaviyd’s” links: This is not a departure from what Fr. Rohr offers but is quintessential.
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Unfortunately neither is it a departure from what the Los Angeles Religious Education offers. One prays that Archbishop Gomez has this high on his must do list.
 
tskrobacz said:
As with all voices in the wilderness, Richard is often misinterpreted, and frequently attacked - he often shines a mirror on the Catholic church that it is not willing to look in or worse not willing to understand. It is easy to point at teachings like “Cosmic Christ” and find faults because the terms do not appear to align to the Catechism/dogma of the church. As his views are so widely debated it is clear that he strikes a nerve in spiritual seekers around the world. To dismiss him would be to choose to not hear the Spirit that is clearly alive in the good works of the CAC and is the very dualistic mindset that he so elegantly teaches we must all awaken out of.
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Seriously, he is a voice in the wilderness …he’s out in the middle of nowhere, promoting a Catholicism that has nothing to do with the the Spirit of Christ , but more like the father of lies.

The emperor my friend, has no clothes…
 
underhismercy said:
Seriously, he is a voice in the wilderness …he’s out in the middle of nowhere, promoting a Catholicism that has nothing to do with the the Spirit of Christ , but more like the father of lies.

The emperor my friend, has no clothes…
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This whole issue is NOTHING to laugh at - this is serious business! But… this comment and the one about naked men dancing are responsible for my only laughter today. Soooooooooooo - thanks? 👍

I need ALL the laughs I can get these days and I’ll take them however i can …
 
After walking the labyrinth of my inner enneagram and intuiting the wisdom hidden within the song of Sophia eco-justice, I’ve come to the firm conclusion that, for me, my personal reading library should be rid of Richard Rohr, for sure.
 
underhismercy said:
…he’s out in the middle of nowhere
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:eek:Alright, that crosses the line my friend. Our good Lord will have mercy on you, but I am outright insulted by that comment. Richard Rohr lives in Albuquerque. Albuquerque is not “out in the middle of nowhere.” :rolleyes: If you are from somewhere else and you have not lived in Albuquerque…it still isn’t in the middle of nowhere. People in Qatar can see New York City as being “out in the middle of nowhere” if they happen to be just as self-centered to think that only where they live has good and intelligent people, but nowhere else does. I have had this discussion with people from Albuquerque who think that nowhere else is as marvy as Albuquerque. They are wrong, too. :crying: So, UHM feel free to discuss the philosophies of Richard Rohr and the CAC, but please stop insulting Albuquerque and Albuquerqueans.

Thank you.👍
 
MaryFrancesRome said:
:eek:Alright, that crosses the line my friend. Our good Lord will have mercy on you, but I am outright insulted by that comment. Richard Rohr lives in Albuquerque. Albuquerque is not “out in the middle of nowhere.” :rolleyes: If you are from somewhere else and you have not lived in Albuquerque…it still isn’t in the middle of nowhere. People in Qatar can see New York City as being “out in the middle of nowhere” if they happen to be just as self-centered to think that only where they live has good and intelligent people, but nowhere else does. I have had this discussion with people from Albuquerque who think that nowhere else is as marvy as Albuquerque. They are wrong, too. :crying: So, UHM feel free to discuss the philosophies of Richard Rohr and the CAC, but please stop insulting Albuquerque and Albuquerqueans.

Thank you.👍
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Say What? He’s in a spiritual wilderness my dear…nothing to do with physical location…
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Odd this has come up. I’ve just begun to look into him. At last night’s back to school meeting, my son’s religion teacher said he is having the kids read Adam’s Return. It’s part of a segment on history of ancient religions leading up to church history in the second semester.

Here’s one critique I found:

catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=6819
 
underhismercy said:
Seriously, he is a voice in the wilderness …he’s out in the middle of nowhere, promoting a Catholicism that has nothing to do with the the Spirit of Christ , but more like the father of lies.

The emperor my friend, has no clothes…
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St. Augustine

Jesus is giving us a win-win worldview (which is why it is called Good News!), but what the ego invariably does with the gospel is make it into a win-lose game. That’s the only way the dualistic mind can think. You’re either in or you’re out. It defines itself largely by what it is NOT.

Yet we don’t know how to include, how to forgive, how to pour mercy and compassion and patience upon events as God apparently does. Augustine, a man filled with contradictions, was a master at holding those contradictions within. For example, in his Homily on Psalm 99, he says, “Before you had the experience, you used to think you could speak of God. Once you have the experience of God, you can never say what you have experienced.” This is the powerlessness and yet the deep inner power of true faith experience. Faith absolutely knows and yet it does not know at the very same time. Thus true believers are always humble and yet quietly confident.
 
tskrobacz said:
St. Augustine

Jesus is giving us a win-win worldview (which is why it is called Good News!), but what the ego invariably does with the gospel is make it into a win-lose game. That’s the only way the dualistic mind can think. You’re either in or you’re out. It defines itself largely by what it is NOT.

Yet we don’t know how to include, how to forgive, how to pour mercy and compassion and patience upon events as God apparently does. Augustine, a man filled with contradictions, was a master at holding those contradictions within. For example, in his Homily on Psalm 99, he says, “Before you had the experience, you used to think you could speak of God. Once you have the experience of God, you can never say what you have experienced.” This is the powerlessness and yet the deep inner power of true faith experience. Faith absolutely knows and yet it does not know at the very same time. Thus true believers are always humble and yet quietly confident.
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What a very cerebral way of saying …some kind of thing… I don’t obviously have the smarts for .😊

What I do know is this: Jesus gave us everything we need for life and Godliness. We do not need to find Him in the illusions of our mind or imaginations. We have Scripture, tradition AND some crazy thing called “reason.”

A tree is known by it’s fruit.

I have read quite a bit of Richard Rohr because someone in my parish wanted to incorporate his material into an Adult Religious Ed program I was involved in…The fruits of his spiritual reformation ( his words) are actually New Age morphs on the solid truths of the Catholic faith . Ecclesiastes tell us there is nothing new under the sun.

Humility is not compromised by acknowledging truth.
 
Kinda hard to take someone whose religion is ECC seriously. Fr. Rohr’s mindset fits perfectly with that schismatic (or is it apostate?) mentality.
 
Slow down here folks. You may disagree with Father. You can say that this or that position is wrong or feels wrong, because . . . Do not paste labels on the man that the Church has not assigned to him. That is not allowed.

Thank You

Thomas Casey
Moderator
 
PKinsale said:
Kinda hard to take someone whose religion is ECC seriously. Fr. Rohr’s mindset fits perfectly with that schismatic (or is it apostate?) mentality.
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Great people are usually humble. They understand and accept that they draw from another Source; they are satisfied to be an instrument. Their genius is not of their own making but a gift. They do great things precisely because they do not take first or final responsibility for their gift, and they don’t worry much about their failures. They understand that their life is not their own but has been entrusted to them. Someone Else has taken them seriously, and they feel profoundly respected, which is what men ultimately want and need.
 
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