Rick Warren

[Tigg]

I’m a little skeptical about such fawning by non-Apostolic groups like Rick Warrens, and his supposed pro-Catholic statements. I wonder if it’s part of his marketing gimmick… Catholics being the largest segment in the world …

I wonder why he hasn’t mentioned or introduced the teachings of Church into his denomination, if he’s so pro-Catholic.

There are photos of Joel Osteen meeting with the Holy Father and saying positive things as well – I don’t trust Joel within an inch of him… he reminds me of a used car salesman… cheesy grin and all!

In the link I posted above exhorting caution, the author claimed that some of Rick Warren’s material was being used for Lenten programs in Catholic parishes!

Ecumenism does not mean compromising the faith and notwithstanding Christian unity, the Church holds the absolute and totality of truth.

 

[andrewstx]

ltwin;11892244:

Well, all Baptists (and evangelical Protestants) aren’t raging anti-Catholics. You can easily get that impression from Catholic Answers sometimes.

Or by living in the south/Bible Belt USA.

And that is exactly where I live, the Southwest Bible Belt. %80 of the people where I live are Baptist, Pentecostal, or belong to “non-denominational” denominations. Even many of the Latinos are not Catholic, but Pentecostal or “non-denominational”.

There are only a handful of Catholics and Main-Line Protestants here, and they keep very quiet.

 

[johnnyc176]

And that is exactly where I live, the Southwest Bible Belt. %80 of the people where I live are Baptist, Pentecostal, or belong to “non-denominational” denominations. Even many of the Latinos are not Catholic, but Pentecostal or “non-denominational”.

There are only a handful of Catholics and Main-Line Protestants here, and they keep very quiet.

I am in the southeast. There seems to be a First Baptist on every corner. Always wondered if there is a Second Baptist. But Catholics are not quiet as this article shows…

ncregister.com/daily-news/protestant-south-becoming-a-new-catholic-stronghold?utm_source=feedly

The Catholic Church is growing in this section of the country and many parishes have apologetic classes.

 

[andrewstx]

I am in the southeast. There seems to be a First Baptist on every corner. Always wondered if there is a Second Baptist. But Catholics are not quiet as this article shows…

ncregister.com/daily-news/protestant-south-becoming-a-new-catholic-stronghold?utm_source=feedly

The Catholic Church is growing in this section of the country and many parishes have apologetic classes.

There is a Second Baptist church where I live in a town with the population of only 9.000. There are Baptist churches everywhere even out in the country where no one lives. And most of the churches that call themselves “non-denominational” are Baptist in affiliation, or teach Baptist doctrine. Even the Cowboy Church which calls itself “non-denominational” belongs to the Southern Baptist Convention.

Of course I don’t agree with Baptist teaching, but what bothers me most is their aggressive attitude and the fact if you aren’t Baptist in this town you are a social outcast. I have lived here for nine years and I am still not welcomed because I’m not a ‘saved’ Baptist.

 

[SoMissCatholic]

ltwin;11892244:

Well, all Baptists (and evangelical Protestants) aren’t raging anti-Catholics. You can easily get that impression from Catholic Answers sometimes.

Or by living in the south/Bible Belt USA.

And that is exactly where I live, the Southwest Bible Belt. %80 of the people where I live are Baptist, Pentecostal, or belong to “non-denominational” denominations. Even many of the Latinos are not Catholic, but Pentecostal or “non-denominational”.

There are only a handful of Catholics and Main-Line Protestants here, and they keep very quiet.

In terms of land area, I live in the largest diocese east of the Mississippi River. About 2 million people live within the borders of the diocese. About 60,000 of us are Catholic. The majority of the remainder are Baptist, with Methodist, Presbyterian (PCA), Pentecostal, and “non-denominational” rounding out most of the rest.

In high school I went on a trip with one of the biggest Southern Baptist churches in my town. During the trip I “re-committed my life to Christ” during one of the prayer meetings and was told by one of the adults that I needed to get baptized. I responded “I’ve already been baptized,” and he said I needed to again because “now you’re a Christian.” The night before we left to come back from the trip I suggested that we could say the guardian angel prayer for a safe trip back home and was sternly rebuked by another adult that “we only pray to God.” After that I learned to keep my mouth shut about my Catholic beliefs whenever I went with my friends to a function at one of their Baptist churches. Attitudes like that are pretty much the standard here.

 

[Memaw]

Claiming I left Catholicism because I didn’t understand Catholic teaching is very insulting.

Did she even ask why I left? No. Did she make an attempt to find out what I know or understand about Catholicism? No.

No, she just skipped right to “well, you just don’t know what you’re talking about”, which is not only very insulting, but very childish.

Kind of like the Catholic poster in another thread who accused me of taking verses out of context, without even knowing that the verse I quoted was a verse of scripture.

Honestly, I love the way that every Catholic tells any ex-Catholic “Oh, you only left Catholicism because you’re such a moron you couldn’t possibly understand what we believe” but then turn around and insist they’re experts on Protestant beliefs.

I think you guys are much more interested in demeaning than discussing.

A good, thought response, and one you would most likely have heard on the Protestant boards I hang out on, would have been, “I’m sorry to hear that you left Catholicism. What made you decide to leave”. But, of course, I guess “Well, you just left because you’re an idiot” is much easier.

Good for you.

Those are all your words, not mine, You are insulting yourself and you truly do not understand Catholic Church teaching or you couldn’t walk away. That’s a fact, not an insult. God Bless, Memaw

 

[South_Bound]

Those are all your words, not mine, You are insulting yourself and you truly do not understand Catholic Church teaching or you couldn’t walk away. That’s a fact, not an insult. God Bless, Memaw

So, every time a Catholic here tells me they used to be a Protestant, should I just dismiss everything they say about Protestantism because, obviously, they only left because they were too dumb to understand Protestant teaching (using your logic)?

Or should I give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are intelligent people and must have had what they believed to be a legitimate reason to leave?

 

[SyroMalankara]

So, every time a Catholic here tells me they used to be a Protestant, should I just dismiss everything they say about Protestantism because, obviously, they only left because they were too dumb to understand Protestant teaching (using your logic)?

Or should I give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are intelligent people and must have had what they believed to be a legitimate reason to leave?

There is no such thing as “protestant teaching” so this is an impossible hypothetical.

I would never say dumb, only that maybe it was not fully comprehended or understood.

 

[Memaw]

There is no such thing as “protestant teaching” so this is an impossible hypothetical.

I would never say dumb, only that maybe it was not fully comprehended or understood.

I never said ‘dumb’ either. Those are South Bend’s own words. God Bless, Memaw

 

[johnnyc176]

Those are all your words, not mine, You are insulting yourself and you truly do not understand Catholic Church teaching or you couldn’t walk away. That’s a fact, not an insult. God Bless, Memaw

I think understand what you are saying. If one truly believes in the Real Presence or the fact that the Catholic Church is the One True Church founded by Christ then they couldn’t walk away. It has been my experience with the few that I am familiar with is that they leave because they don’t agree with a teaching of the Church so like protestants they look to separate Jesus from His Church. In any event we need to pray for them. I found this interesting article about the issue…

wdtprs.com/blog/2013/03/you-can-never-really-leave-the-church/

I like the quote from Chesterton… there are a thousand reasons to leave the Church and only one reason to stay: It’s true

 

[Memaw]

I think understand what you are saying. If one truly believes in the Real Presence or the fact that the Catholic Church is the One True Church founded by Christ then they couldn’t walk away. It has been my experience with the few that I am familiar with is that they leave because they don’t agree with a teaching of the Church so like protestants they look to separate Jesus from His Church. In any event we need to pray for them. I found this interesting article about the issue…

wdtprs.com/blog/2013/03/you-can-never-really-leave-the-church/

I like the quote from Chesterton… there are a thousand reasons to leave the Church and only one reason to stay: It’s true

Many walk away because they want what they want, no matter what the Church teaches, Christ promised that HIS Church would never teach error and in 2,000 years, the Catholic Church has never taught anything against the teachings that Jesus Christ gave it. God Bless, Memaw

 

[acacia12]

Catholics - perhaps a little caution would be prudent.

Thank you. Good read.

 

[Darryl_B]

Claiming I left Catholicism because I didn’t understand Catholic teaching is very insulting.

Did she even ask why I left? No. Did she make an attempt to find out what I know or understand about Catholicism? No.

No, she just skipped right to “well, you just don’t know what you’re talking about”, which is not only very insulting, but very childish.

Kind of like the Catholic poster in another thread who accused me of taking verses out of context, without even knowing that the verse I quoted was a verse of scripture.

Honestly, I love the way that every Catholic tells any ex-Catholic “Oh, you only left Catholicism because you’re such a moron you couldn’t possibly understand what we believe” but then turn around and insist they’re experts on Protestant beliefs.

I think you guys are much more interested in demeaning than discussing.

A good, thought response, and one you would most likely have heard on the Protestant boards I hang out on, would have been, “I’m sorry to hear that you left Catholicism. What made you decide to leave”. But, of course, I guess “Well, you just left because you’re an idiot” is much easier.

Good for you.

This sounds too much like a persecution complex, something that usually originates internally rather than externally. You are projecting an internal wrestle outwards against others, and those people are probably thinking “Wow where did that come from”.

My friend your cards are on the table, but the best place for you is not at the table.

 

[PRmerger]

You may think you have been there but you have never ‘done that’ or you wouldn’t have ever left. You evidently never truly understood the Catholic Church and her teachings. Maybe you focused to much on the sinners in the Church. But then we all have them. God Bless, Memaw

I agree.

I doubt that anyone who has left the CC could answer any number of very basic questions.

My favorite one to ask: where is the Mass in Scripture?
(And its corollary: where is Scripture in the Mass?)

Another one is: where is the Eucharist in the Bible?

And: what is the Immaculate Conception.

No ex-Catholic has ever been able to answer any of the above correctly (without recourse to Fr. Google ). Ever.

 

[PRmerger]

There is no such thing as “protestant teaching” so this is an impossible hypothetical.

Indeed.

In fact, there are tens of thousands of Protestant denominations, thanks to the divorce from a central authority.

It is an obscenity, really, to see how Protestantism has splintered, and splintered, and devolved into the monstrosity of tens of thousands of corner churches, storefront churches, mega-churches, men leaving their churches due to understanding their pastor is simply proclaiming his fallible interpretation of the Bible…all in just 500 short years.

 

[South_Bound]

This sounds too much like a persecution complex, something that usually originates internally rather than externally. You are projecting an internal wrestle outwards against others, and those people are probably thinking “Wow where did that come from”.

My friend your cards are on the table, but the best place for you is not at the table.

Your rudeness is duly noted.

 

[PRmerger]

This sounds too much like a persecution complex, something that usually originates internally rather than externally. You are projecting an internal wrestle outwards against others, and those people are probably thinking “Wow where did that come from”.

My friend your cards are on the table, but the best place for you is not at the table.

 

[South_Bound]

Indeed.

In fact, there are tens of thousands of Protestant denominations, thanks to the divorce from a central authority.

This is a good example of the “Catholic taqiyya” I was talking about. The “30,000 denominations” lie has been debunked thoroughly, but Catholics have no problem telling the lie as long as it paints Protestants in a negative light.

It is an obscenity

But if Catholicism doesn’t have a problem with lying, why would obscenity be bad?

 

[PRmerger]

This is a good example of the “Catholic taqiyya” I was talking about. The “30,000 denominations” lie has been debunked thoroughly, but Catholics have no problem telling the lie as long as it paints Protestants in a negative light.

Who said anything about 30,000 denominations?

And I will gladly use the correct number of denominations, if you will provide me with that.

And your source for this correct number.

And please make sure it includes every single one of these churches.

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[PRmerger]

But if Catholicism doesn’t have a problem with lying, why would obscenity be bad?

Ah.

Here’s a perfect example of what Memaw was positing: you really didn’t know the faith in which you left.

Catholicism actually does have a problem with lying. A great problem.

To wit:

Lying is the most direct offense against the truth. To lie is to speak or act against the truth in order to lead someone into error. By injuring man’s relation to truth and to his neighbor, a lie offends against the fundamental relation of man and of his word to the Lord. CCC* 2483

*CCC means Catechism of the Catholic Church, Southbound.

Would that you actually knew the teachings of your faith!

You would never have left.

Imagine not knowing that Catholicism has a problem with lying! That’s pretty basic Catholicism 101.

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