i agree with Smber2c: your spiritual advisor is proposing an interesting change of vocabulary, but it’s not an accurate statement about how the terms are being used today.As my spiritual advisor states, there is a big difference between “gay” and “homosexual”.
I have to side with dbaseII and her spiritual advisor. Gay is a term which the gay community coined for itself. It flaunts homosexuality actions as normal and even good and promotes homosexuality as a lifestyle. One can be homosexual without being gay. A more interesting question might be whether or not one can be gay without being homosexual.i agree with Smber2c: your spiritual advisor is proposing an interesting change of vocabulary, but it’s not an accurate statement about how the terms are being used today.
it does, however, hearken back to the early etymology: from wikipedia
But do you believe the Truth you seek really exists? If so, do you really expect that as it is found none of it will require you to adjust how you are currently living?
It may very well require me to adjust how I am currently living !!!
I find it strange that you identify yourself as Catholic. What God is it that you worship? Have you received a private revelation regarding the homosexual “lifestyle?” Do you worship the same God that instructs us regarding the practice of homosexuality? Just curious.Your’e talking to too many people who just live by “rules”. Conscience is paramount. I’m sure your conscience tells you that you are living a good, loving and productive life. Many will tell you that your conscience is “misinformed”. I beg to differ.
The Church has been messing with people’s minds (especially sexually) since time immemorial. My God loves you and has no problem with your lifestyle. Some “rules” are just wrong !!!
Since I am a monotheist I presume I worship the same God you do. When I say “my God” I am referring to my interpretation of a loving God, who is beyond all understanding. That God has never instructed me or anyone else on the practice of homosexuality. The Church’s interpretation of some obscure references in the Old Testament are used as some sort of absolute teaching on the subject.If my rejection of that teaching leads you to the conclusion that it is strange that I identify myself as Catholic so be it. I have had lengthy dialogues with my Bishop on this subject and he hasn’t kicked me out yet. I guess he’s not quite as judgmental as you.I find it strange that you identify yourself as Catholic. What God is it that you worship? Have you received a private revelation regarding the homosexual “lifestyle?” Do you worship the same God that instructs us regarding the practice of homosexuality? Just curious.
Well said.“Gay” typically refers to the lifestyle of promiscuous sex and not the the direction someone’s desires go in. Therefore with a homosexual who is chaste and Catholic, there is no “gay pride”.
As my spiritual advisor states, there is a big difference between “gay” and “homosexual”.
The Church is speaking with the authority of Christ. Your argument is based on what authority?Since I am a monotheist I presume I worship the same God you do. When I say “my God” I am referring to my interpretation of a loving God, who is beyond all understanding. That God has never instructed me or anyone else on the practice of homosexuality. The Church’s interpretation of some obscure references in the Old Testament are used as some sort of absolute teaching on the subject.If my rejection of that teaching leads you to the conclusion that it is strange that I identify myself as Catholic so be it. I have had lengthy dialogues with my Bishop on this subject and he hasn’t kicked me out yet. I guess he’s not quite as judgmental as you.
So you are of the “cafeteria” variety? What does your Bishop have to say about your rejection of the Church’s teaching?Since I am a monotheist I presume I worship the same God you do. When I say “my God” I am referring to my interpretation of a loving God, who is beyond all understanding. That God has never instructed me or anyone else on the practice of homosexuality. The Church’s interpretation of some obscure references in the Old Testament are used as some sort of absolute teaching on the subject.If my rejection of that teaching leads you to the conclusion that it is strange that I identify myself as Catholic so be it. I have had lengthy dialogues with my Bishop on this subject and he hasn’t kicked me out yet. I guess he’s not quite as judgmental as you.
He disagrees with me.So you are of the “cafeteria” variety? What does your Bishop have to say about your rejection of the Church’s teaching?
The Church is speaking with the authority of Christ. Your argument is based on what authority?
Was the Church speaking with the authority of Christ when they tortured and executed people during the Inquisition ? The church has been wrong in the past and it will continue to correct itself in the future. It is a dynamic church, not one set in stone.The Church is speaking with the authority of Christ. Your argument is based on what authority?
When did the Church execute anyone? You mean the state executed criminals, right? The inquisitions should be understood properly, not the myth that has crept up these days.Was the Church speaking with the authority of Christ when they tortured and executed people during the Inquisition ?
No, the Church has never been wrong on any matter relating to faith and morals. Please provide evidence She has been in error.The church has been wrong in the past and it will continue to correct itself in the future. It is a dynamic church, not one set in stone.
Pope Gregory IX established the Inquisition in 1233 in France to combat the heresy of Abilgenses.(The Spanish Inquisition came later) Clergymen would sit at proceedings and deliver punishment such as confinement, physical abuse and torture. Those who never confessed to the hersey were burned alive at the stake.When did the Church execute anyone? You mean the state executed criminals, right? The inquisitions should be understood properly, not the myth that has crept up these days.
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Then I think that you had better listen to your Bishop. You seem to have a hidden agenda vis-a-vis the Church, a resentment. Perhaps some more study and a lot more prayer will show you that that the Church is not wrong, but is instead very careful regarding the welfare of Her children.He disagrees with me.
I have an agenda but I don’t think it’s hidden. Are you saying the Church is NEVER wrong ? I also do not consider myself a child.Then I think that you had better listen to your Bishop. You seem to have a hidden agenda vis-a-vis the Church, a resentment. Perhaps some more study and a lot more prayer will show you that that the Church is not wrong, but is instead very careful regarding the welfare of Her children.
The Church is refered to as our Mother because of the love and concern that she has for us. Compared to the wisdom of God, we ARE but children. Fallible humans in the service of the Church are and have been wrong, the Church is never wrong.I have an agenda but I don’t think it’s hidden. Are you saying the Church is NEVER wrong ? I also do not consider myself a child.
The Church has been treating us as children for too long.
I agree with you that more study and more prayer can never do you any harm. Thanks
We have had several threads on the various inquisitions. The Church did not execute anyone. Torture may have happend, but that does not prove the Church taught error. It proves individuals in the Church may be misguided.Pope Gregory IX established the Inquisition in 1233 in France to combat the heresy of Abilgenses.(The Spanish Inquisition came later) Clergymen would sit at proceedings and deliver punishment such as confinement, physical abuse and torture. Those who never confessed to the hersey were burned alive at the stake.
I would say the Church was “wrong” at that time.
So, how can we ever know when She is correct or incorrect?The church has been wrong in the past and it will continue to correct itself in the future.
By its silence the Church taught that torture and executioins were permissible.We have had several threads on the various inquisitions. The Church did not execute anyone. Torture may have happend, but that does not prove the Church taught error. It proves individuals in the Church may be misguided.
Your assertion does not prove She taught error, even once.
When she eventually corrects herself.So, how can we ever know when She is correct or incorrect?