"Right" to die

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People in favor of the “right” to die talk about an individual’s right to doctor assisted suicide if they are terminally ill or simply do not feel like living any longer. Recently I’ve been hearing of many unborn babies whose moms are aborting them due to birth defects, and we find ourselves praying for these babies to be allowed to die a natural death.

A positive spin on the “right to die” movement would be the “Right to a natural death” movement. In this movement, babies are allowed to live their full lives, even if that means they die before birth, immediately after birth, a few hours after birth, or a few years after birth.

Next time a pro-abortion person talks to me about the “right” to die, I will tell them that I agree–that unborn babies have the RIGHT to die naturally and not to be torn from their mother’s wombs. They have the right to die receiving comfort measures and the love of their families, as well as the right to receive baptism before they are called home to God.
 
One of the chilling things about “right to die” is its emphasis on doctor-assisted suicide. In any other field, that would be seen as a fundamental organizational error – because it gives the physician two conflicting duties, to preserve life and to kill.

And we have merely to look to the Netherlands to see how this has worked out, with physicians deciding for their patients that suicide is best for them.
 
A question about natural death? Would it be immoral for a parent to decide not to have "heroic’ measures taken on their baby? Would something like a Do Not Recessatate(sp?) Order be morally wrong?

Kim
 
mesquite_magic said:
A question about natural death? Would it be immoral for a parent to decide not to have "heroic’ measures taken on their baby? Would something like a Do Not Recessatate(sp?) Order be morally wrong?

Kim
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Do Not Resuscitate orders are not morally wrong, as the paragraph from the Catechism quoted below shows.
2278 Discontinuing medical procedures that are burdensome, dangerous, extraordinary, or disproportionate to the expected outcome can be legitimate; it is the refusal of “over-zealous” treatment. Here one does not will to cause death; one’s inability to impede it is merely accepted. The decisions should be made by the patient if he is competent and able or, if not, by those legally entitled to act for the patient, whose reasonable will and legitimate interests must always be respected.
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Note that provision of food and water is not an extraordinary measure. Patients must be provided water and nutrition as long as they can metabolize it.
 
vern_humphrey said:
One of the chilling things about “right to die” is its emphasis on doctor-assisted suicide. In any other field, that would be seen as a fundamental organizational error – because it gives the physician two conflicting duties, to preserve life and to kill.

And we have merely to look to the Netherlands to see how this has worked out, with physicians deciding for their patients that suicide is best for them.
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Couldn’t suicide be the best solution for some people? Maybe God Expects some people to do it. Sometimes death has got to better than life. It sure takes away all the pain.
 
sosayi1960 said:
Couldn’t suicide be the best solution for some people? Maybe God Expects some people to do it. Sometimes death has got to better than life. It sure takes away all the pain.
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If one ends up in Hell, the pain would be infinitely worse than any earthly suffering. (notice I said 'if") —KCT
 
Should never be considered. This thread assumes of course that this temporary recepticle called a body belongs to us. Neither is it man’s decision on whether it has run it’s final course. Our obligation is to ensure that this temple that is on loan to us is being used in the service of it’s Owner. Therefore, that restricts us to our only option of keeping the organism alive.

AndyF
 
sosayi1960 said:
Couldn’t suicide be the best solution for some people? Maybe God Expects some people to do it. Sometimes death has got to better than life. It sure takes away all the pain.
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What proof do you have of that? It might be the gateway to much greater pain. 😦
 
sosayi1960 said:
Couldn’t suicide be the best solution for some people?
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And who decides that?

In “doctor-assisted” suicide, the doctor is the key – and as experience (in countries like Holland) shows, more and more, he becomes the only decision-maker. Life expectancy in Dutch nursing homes is much lower than in other countries.

And what of the immortal soul?
sosayi1960 said:
Maybe God Expects some people to do it.
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Can you find a passage in the Bible where God endorses suicide?
sosayi1960 said:
Sometimes death has got to better than life. It sure takes away all the pain.
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We have the ability to manage pain.
 
Right to Die is another issue that I’m on the fence about. My best friend died from cancer at the age of 40. She suffered something terrible. The time betweeen the discovery of her cancer and her death was mercifully short, just about three months, but it was an awful three months for her. If she had decided to end her suffering, I don’t know that I would have fought her on it.

In the end, she couldn’t speak. I’m not even sure she knew who I was as I sat by her side. She wasn’t Catholic but she was very spiritual, so I put a crucifix in her hand. She clung to it. Her death took longer than the doctors thought. We all got to be with her, her fiancee, children, mother, brother, sister, and two best friends. It was beautiful that we were all there, but it was the most difficult moment I ever witnessed Seeing her being suctioned out was so awful that her daughter ran out of the room and got sick.

She had had the most awful childhood, a father who molested her, a husband who forced her into prostitution, she had to give up her oldest child. I was furious at God that she had finally found love and was happy again, only to have it all ripped away. Then I realised, we were all blessed to have had her in our lives. I believe she felt blessed having us there.

She died the morning of Christmas Eve four years ago. A friend put it into perspective for me, “What a beautiful day to meet Christ!” That took some of the sadness away.

Don’t know why I shared this with you??? This thread got me thinking about her. I’m just glad she didn’t have to suffer for long.

Kim
 
Every moment of suffering is an opportunity to save yourself or others from purgatory, or even Hell.

Pray the daily offering each day. It will re-shape your thinking on suffering.

Your friends 3-months could have been her purgatory. She could have gone directly to Heaven on account of that.
 
mesquite_magic said:
Right to Die is another issue that I’m on the fence about. My best friend died from cancer at the age of 40. She suffered something terrible. The time betweeen the discovery of her cancer and her death was mercifully short, just about three months, but it was an awful three months for her. If she had decided to end her suffering, I don’t know that I would have fought her on it.

In the end, she couldn’t speak. I’m not even sure she knew who I was as I sat by her side. She wasn’t Catholic but she was very spiritual, so I put a crucifix in her hand. She clung to it. Her death took longer than the doctors thought. We all got to be with her, her fiancee, children, mother, brother, sister, and two best friends. It was beautiful that we were all there, but it was the most difficult moment I ever witnessed Seeing her being suctioned out was so awful that her daughter ran out of the room and got sick.

She had had the most awful childhood, a father who molested her, a husband who forced her into prostitution, she had to give up her oldest child. I was furious at God that she had finally found love and was happy again, only to have it all ripped away. Then I realised, we were all blessed to have had her in our lives. I believe she felt blessed having us there.

She died the morning of Christmas Eve four years ago. A friend put it into perspective for me, “What a beautiful day to meet Christ!” That took some of the sadness away.

Don’t know why I shared this with you??? This thread got me thinking about her. I’m just glad she didn’t have to suffer for long.

Kim
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We often face moral dilimmas like this – and trying to decide them on our own gut instinct and feelings is like trying to build a space ship with a child’s toy tool kit.

That’s why Christ created His Church – to guide us in these matters.
 
mesquite_magic said:
Right to Die is another issue that I’m on the fence about. My best friend died from cancer at the age of 40. She suffered something terrible. The time betweeen the discovery of her cancer and her death was mercifully short, just about three months, but it was an awful three months for her. If she had decided to end her suffering, I don’t know that I would have fought her on it.

In the end, she couldn’t speak. I’m not even sure she knew who I was as I sat by her side. She wasn’t Catholic but she was very spiritual, so I put a crucifix in her hand. She clung to it. Her death took longer than the doctors thought. We all got to be with her, her fiancee, children, mother, brother, sister, and two best friends. It was beautiful that we were all there, but it was the most difficult moment I ever witnessed Seeing her being suctioned out was so awful that her daughter ran out of the room and got sick.

She had had the most awful childhood, a father who molested her, a husband who forced her into prostitution, she had to give up her oldest child. I was furious at God that she had finally found love and was happy again, only to have it all ripped away. Then I realised, we were all blessed to have had her in our lives. I believe she felt blessed having us there.

She died the morning of Christmas Eve four years ago. A friend put it into perspective for me, “What a beautiful day to meet Christ!” That took some of the sadness away.

Don’t know why I shared this with you??? This thread got me thinking about her. I’m just glad she didn’t have to suffer for long.

Kim
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We often face moral dilimmas like this – and trying to decide them on our own gut instinct and feelings is like trying to build a space ship with a child’s toy tool kit.

That’s why Christ created His Church – to guide us in these matters.
 
I have known a number of people who have killed them selves, Including three siblings, People for get one thing when talking about a right to die, Years ago people who are kepted alive today would have died a lot younger but for the improvement in medicine, So some people are playing GOD, If i could not feed or look after my self it is my right to die
 
vern_humphrey said:
And who decides that?

In “doctor-assisted” suicide, the doctor is the key – and as experience (in countries like Holland) shows, more and more, he becomes the only decision-maker. Life expectancy in Dutch nursing homes is much lower than in other countries.

And what of the immortal soul?

Can you find a passage in the Bible where God endorses suicide?

We have the ability to manage pain.
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I’m not just talking about physical pain. Doesn’t scripiture say something about leaving some things up to us. Maybe God is just giving sucide as a free choice.
 
sosayi1960 said:
I’m not just talking about physical pain. Doesn’t scripiture say something about leaving some things up to us. Maybe God is just giving sucide as a free choice.
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Where does scripture say suicide is an acceptable choice?
 
God has made some mistakes. He was wrong with some of creation. He shouldn’t have made some people. Jesus himself said: It would be better if some people had never been born.
 
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