"Rising He Restored Our Life" -- How?

[camerong]

Christ did two things that resounded throughout time (in the past and future). He died, and in doing so, accepted our sins. He also rose again.

Can someone help explain why he rose again? What benefit did that confer, beyond proving that He was God, that He was the One spoken of in scripture, etc? What was the primary purpose or effect of the resurrection?

 

[TEPO]

Christ did two things that resounded throughout time (in the past and future). He died, and in doing so, accepted our sins. He also rose again.

Can someone help explain why he rose again? What benefit did that confer, beyond proving that He was God, that He was the One spoken of in scripture, etc? What was the primary purpose or effect of the resurrection?

The fact that Jesus is both fully man and fully God, shows that man was able to die and go to hell like everyone before him did, but the amazing thing was that HE RETURNED FROM HELL… Jesus was the first among many brothers, who would not suffer the hell-fire.

His rising was proof.

 

[TEPO]

By that proof we all have hope.

 

[camerong]

So it was just for proof? That doesn’t quite make sense to me. I mean, I see how it practically works–Christianity would not exist if Christ had not rose from the dead–but there was no other effect of it? If a skeptic said “so it was basically for publicity,” that would be pretty close?

 

[TEPO]

So it was just for proof? That doesn’t quite make sense to me. I mean, I see how it practically works–Christianity would not exist if Christ had not rose from the dead–but there was no other effect of it? If a skeptic said “so it was basically for publicity,” that would be pretty close?

How do you figure that Christianity would not exist, if Christ had not shown us that He rose from the dead…?

That was just an additional good-deed He did for us to have peace of mind. Remember Jesus even turned water into wine as a gesture of His kindness when His mother asked Him too…

It was simply the act of Jesus going to hell, then being able to leave and go to heaven that broke the chain of events… Jesus didnt have to show us. Rising He restored our life means He rose to heaven… That is how He restored life.

 

[TEPO]

You do understand that since Adam and Eve, everyone went to hell right…? Even the Saints of the Old Testament were waiting in hell for Jesus to retrieve them.

 

[quasimodo]

You do understand that since Adam and Eve, everyone went to hell right…? Even the Saints of the Old Testament were waiting in hell for Jesus to retrieve them.

but not the hell of the damned - to be clear. Sheol.

 

[camerong]

It was simply the act of Jesus going to hell, then being able to leave and go to heaven that broke the chain of events… Jesus didnt have to show us. Rising He restored our life means He rose to heaven… That is how He restored life.

Can you expand on “broke the chain of events”? That, I think, is what I’m trying to learn more about.

I’m debating with someone who claims that Jesus dead but not risen is no different than Jesus risen, since *dying *for our sins already occurred.

Any help in forming a cogent response?

 

[crazzeto]

Romans 6:

3 Know you not that all we, who are baptized in Christ Jesus, are baptized in his death? 4 For we are buried together with him by baptism into death; that as Christ is risen from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we also may walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.

 

[Spencerian]

So it was just for proof? That doesn’t quite make sense to me. I mean, I see how it practically works–Christianity would not exist if Christ had not rose from the dead–but there was no other effect of it? If a skeptic said “so it was basically for publicity,” that would be pretty close?

Hi.

The key involves what humans are. We are *both *spirit and body.

Death is an unnatural separation of the human nature, of spirit and body. Original sin can keep that separation permanent.

as a sinless innocent.*and **and *

Original sin as a barrier to heaven is destroyed with Christ’s death as only He, as a man *and *God, could create an *infinite *sacrifice to atone for Original Sin, for all dead, alive, and those yet born.

Christ created a new pattern for us to follow (baptism, Eucharist, teachings) that, if done so, results in the same positive consequences for any of His followers.

Christ’s resurrection, thus, is a demonstration by Christ of what we can all look forward to, provided we follow His example: A re-unified, perfected human form that is pleasing to God and can enjoy the Beatific Vision. Christ *had *to return in this fashion because, now, He was as much human as He was God.

 

[jayk15]

Remember, the events the Church commemorates in he Paschal Triduum can not be separated. Our salvation can not be achieved if one of those events are missing. Christs crucifiction and death removed our sins and made it possible for us to be one with God as the stain of original sin was removed. By Christ’s resurrection we are given a new and eternal life. When Christ died, he went down to Sheol to fetch the souls who died in God’s favour but it was only when Christ rose did those souls enter heaven. Thefore the mystery of our salvation was completed at the resurrection.(I’m open to correction though)

 

[TheQuestioner]

Jesus was first born among others. That being said, all human beings, because of Christ, will rise among the dead. And those who are in Christ will rise and be transfigured in Christ.

Basically, no resurrection of Christ, no resurrection of the dead. But since Christ rose from the dead He made it so that all people would rise from the dead. And since He was glorified then all other people who are in His body and remain in it will also be glorified. It was NOT simply for publicity.

 

[josephdaniel29]

I’ll give you two very famous patristic quotes that put forth the Christus Victor theory of atonement. That Christ through His death and Resurrection destroyed forever the power of death and the devil.

Melito of Sardis On Pascha

But he arose from the dead and mounted up to the heights of heaven. When the Lord had clothed himself with humanity, and had suffered for the sake of the sufferer, and had been bound for the sake of the imprisoned, and had been judged for the sake of the condemned, and buried for the sake of the one who was buried,

he rose up from the dead, and cried aloud with this voice: Who is he who contends with me? Let him stand in opposition to me. I set the condemned man free; I gave the dead man life; I raised up the one who had been entombed.

Who is my opponent? I, he says, am the Christ. I am the one who destroyed death, and triumphed over the enemy, and trampled Hades under foot, and bound the strong one, and carried off man to the heights of heaven, I, he says, am the Christ.

Therefore, come, all families of men, you who have been befouled with sins, and receive forgiveness for your sins. I am your forgiveness, I am the passover of your salvation, I am the lamb which was sacrificed for you, I am your ransom, I am your light, I am your saviour, I am your resurrection, I am your king, I am leading you up to the heights of heaven, I will show you the eternal Father, I will raise you up by my right hand.

This is the one who made the heavens and the earth, and who in the beginning created man, who was proclaimed through the law and prophets, who became human via the virgin, who was hanged upon a tree, who was buried in the earth, who was resurrected from the dead, and who ascended to the heights of heaven, who sits at the right hand of the Father, who has authority to judge and to save everything, through whom the Father created everything from the beginning of the world to the end of the age.

This is the alpha and the omega. This is the beginning and the end–an indescribable beginning and an incomprehensible end. This is the Christ. This is the king. This is Jesus. This is the general. This is the Lord. This is the one who rose up from the dead. This is the one who sits at the right hand of the Father. He bears the Father and is borne by the Father, to whom be the glory and the power forever. Amen.

And now from the Pashcal Homily of St John Chrysostom.

By descending into Hell, He made Hell captive.
He embittered it when it tasted of His flesh.
And Isaiah, foretelling this, did cry:
Hell, said he, was embittered
When it encountered Thee in the lower regions.

It was embittered, for it was abolished.
It was embittered, for it was mocked.
It was embittered, for it was slain.
It was embittered, for it was overthrown.
It was embittered, for it was fettered in chains.
It took a body, and met God face to face.
It took earth, and encountered Heaven.
It took that which was seen, and fell upon the unseen.

O Death, where is thy sting?
O Hell, where is thy victory?

Christ is risen, and thou art overthrown!
Christ is risen, and the demons are fallen!
Christ is risen, and the angels rejoice!
Christ is risen, and life reigns!
Christ is risen, and not one dead remains in the grave.
For Christ, being risen from the dead,
Is become the first-fruits of those who have fallen asleep.

To Him be glory and dominion
Unto ages of ages.