Rites being used for worship during Holy Father's USA visit

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Well, right off the bat, someone’s going to be upset since he’s using Eucharistic Prayer III for one of the Masses.
 
MusicMan said:
Well, right off the bat, someone’s going to be upset since he’s using Eucharistic Prayer III for one of the Masses.
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Not to mention a song by one of the St Louis Jesuits at one of his prayer services…that’ll get someone’s cassock in a bunch.
 
frommi said:
Not to mention a song by one of the St Louis Jesuits at one of his prayer services…that’ll get someone’s cassock in a bunch.
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It may actually be a blessing in disguise. At least he’ll see how bad our music is. Mind you, that SLJ recommendation may have come from the current Prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (whose only shortcoming is the fact that he’s a fan of the SLJ 😦 ).

I am pleasantly surprised that they will be singing Draw Us in the Spirit’s Tether. I love that song!!!
 
frommi said:
Not to mention a song by one of the St Louis Jesuits at one of his prayer services…that’ll get someone’s cassock in a bunch.
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Meh, it’s just a prayer service. The people that will be upset about SLJ will be too busy being upset about the ecumenical prayer service itself that they won’t notice the music.
 
benedictgal said:
It may actually be a blessing in disguise. At least he’ll see how bad our music is. Mind you, that SLJ recommendation may have come from the current Prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (whose only shortcoming is the fact that he’s a fan of the SLJ 😦 ).

I am pleasantly surprised that they will be singing Draw Us in the Spirit’s Tether. I love that song!!!
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Music for a prayer service need not meet the same standards that music for the mass should meet. And besides, the song they are using is HARDLY one of the worst; it’s not a great example of some of the horrible music we sing.

As you may have guessed before, I’m no fan of the Saint Louis Jesuits; but they had a few pieces that aren’t so bad.
 
Ooh … our tickets just arrived in the mail today. We’re going to be at Yankee Stadium. (And yeah, I checked our seating–nosebleed section, but I don’t care …)

And then I’m reading the parts for the Sunday Mass … I am looking forward to it very much.

Incidentally, does that bit at the end about ‘He intends to bless all articles which the faithful have brought for that purpose’ mean that if I bring an unblessed Rosary I just received, it’ll be blessed just like that?
 
Melissa said:
Incidentally, does that bit at the end about ‘He intends to bless all articles which the faithful have brought for that purpose’ mean that if I bring an unblessed Rosary I just received, it’ll be blessed just like that?
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Yep! Enjoy. 😃
 
Melissa said:
Incidentally, does that bit at the end about ‘He intends to bless all articles which the faithful have brought for that purpose’ mean that if I bring an unblessed Rosary I just received, it’ll be blessed just like that?
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Yes, that’s what it means!
 
In fact, it’s standard operating procedure (SOP, for those of us in government) for the general audiences. Although I’ve never gone to Rome, I get to watch the Papal Audience live feeds from Rome, from time to time. My little dachshund tends to wake me up at 3AM on a regular basis so that she can do what she needs to do. When I have trouble sleeping, I’ll flip the channel to EWTN and catch the audience.
 
The mass setting for Washington is Mass of Creation according to stuff I got from NPM tonight…which is a good choice.

The music looks like it covers a pretty broad spectrum from Gospel to chant to tagalog.
 
frommi said:
The mass setting for Washington is Mass of Creation according to stuff I got from NPM tonight…which is a good choice.

The music looks like it covers a pretty broad spectrum from Gospel to chant to tagalog.
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At least he’ll get to experience, first-hand, the awful liturgical music that many of us have to endure Sunday after Sunday. Of all of the Mass settings, why the DC folks chose Mass of Creation is beyond me. The “Community Mass” setting in red Worship III hymnal is much better; furthermore, there is also an alternative setting for the Memorial Acclamation that does not feature “Christ has died…”

At least the NYC Mass fares a little better as far as the music is concerned.
 
benedictgal said:
At least he’ll get to experience, first-hand, the awful liturgical music that many of us have to endure Sunday after Sunday. Of all of the Mass settings, why the DC folks chose Mass of Creation is beyond me. The “Community Mass” setting in red Worship III hymnal is much better; furthermore, there is also an alternative setting for the Memorial Acclamation that does not feature “Christ has died…”

At least the NYC Mass fares a little better as far as the music is concerned.
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Love it or hate it, MoC is the most well known setting in the country today…so it makes sense that a large scale gathering like that would utilize it.

Again…looking at the music for everything as a whole, I think it touches on the many different styles of worship you’d find across the country…

I don’t agree with the idea that people are having to ‘endure’ lousy music in so many places countrywide.
 
Some of this is just so sad. The Pope is coming to visit us, and all some can do is criticize the liturgy and music that he will be using.

I truly feel bad for those, for whom their practice of faith is so miserable and agonizing, that they refuse to see the wonder and beauty of our worship as it is today…while they continue to carp for “the way it used to be”.

The Pope’s visit trumps any whining and bellyachin that any of has to offer.

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agr4028 said:
Some of this is just so sad. The Pope is coming to visit us, and all some can do is criticize the liturgy and music that he will be using.

I truly feel bad for those, for whom their practice of faith is so miserable and agonizing, that they refuse to see the wonder and beauty of our worship as it is today…while they continue to carp for “the way it used to be”.

The Pope’s visit trumps any whining and bellyachin that any of has to offer.

:tsktsk:
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:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :amen: :amen:
 
Perhaps, EM and arg, you may not have read or properly understood the underlying reasons for our criticisms, especially where the music for the DC Mass is concerned. The “liturgical team” planning this particular liturgy probably didn’t read the Holy Father’s many writings on music, especially Sacramentum Caritatis, where he famously writes that as far as the Mass is concerned, “one song is not as good as another.”

Yes, I am thrilled that he’s coming here. However, I am disappointed in the efforts of those planning the liturgies (from our end) because they have failed in providing the best and finest music that we have to offer. Instead, they are using the Mulligan Stew approach and really cheapening what should be a solemn and beautiful celebration. I mean is Mass of Creation the finest piece we have produced as a Mass setting? I don’t think so, not in th every least. At least NYC fares a little better where the music is concerned.

As I said, the only upshot is that Pope Benedict (who, is also a classically trained musician and is well versed in what Sacred Music should sound like) will experience first-hand what many of us have to suffer through week after week in our parishes.
 
benedictgal said:
As I said, the only upshot is that Pope Benedict (who, is also a classically trained musician and is well versed in what Sacred Music should sound like) will experience first-hand what many of us have to suffer through week after week in our parishes.
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To experience the horror that I now get in my new parish, you need to replace the organ with a cheesy electric piano (here’s a very close approximation of what it sounds like). Add in an electric guitar, a few out-of-tune high schoolers playing the trumpet, the oboe and the clarinet, and then top it off with an honest-to-God drum set with cymbals. :eek:

We’re all about supporting our geographical parish, but after a month of this mess the TLM an hour’s drive away is looking awfully appealing.
 
tcraig said:
To experience the horror that I now get in my new parish, you need to replace the organ with a cheesy electric piano (here’s a very close approximation of what it sounds like). Add in an electric guitar, a few out-of-tune high schoolers playing the trumpet, the oboe and the clarinet, and then top it off with an honest-to-God drum set with cymbals. :eek:

We’re all about supporting our geographical parish, but after a month of this mess the TLM an hour’s drive away is looking awfully appealing.
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You find yourself in the same position we were in back in '83. We voted with our feet and drive 25 miles one way to the cathedral. The NO is celebrated reverently and the choir sings both Chant and Latin motets on a regular basis. If I drove 4 miles to my geographical parish, I would experience what you experience and more.

One has to wonder if the HF visited a parish in “civilian” clothes annonymously on an average Sunday, what would his feelings be?
 
benedictgal said:
Perhaps, EM and arg, you may not have read or properly understood the underlying reasons for our criticisms, especially where the music for the DC Mass is concerned. The “liturgical team” planning this particular liturgy probably didn’t read the Holy Father’s many writings on music, especially Sacramentum Caritatis, where he famously writes that as far as the Mass is concerned, “one song is not as good as another.”

Yes, I am thrilled that he’s coming here. However, I am disappointed in the efforts of those planning the liturgies (from our end) because they have failed in providing the best and finest music that we have to offer. Instead, they are using the Mulligan Stew approach and really cheapening what should be a solemn and beautiful celebration. I mean is Mass of Creation the finest piece we have produced as a Mass setting? I don’t think so, not in th every least. At least NYC fares a little better where the music is concerned.

As I said, the only upshot is that Pope Benedict (who, is also a classically trained musician and is well versed in what Sacred Music should sound like) will experience first-hand what many of us have to suffer through week after week in our parishes.
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You do realize that everything for these masses was approved by the papal master of ceremonies…Msgr. Marini…
 
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