Road to protestant heaven vs catholic

[Gorgias]

True, but the body will pass away. Even now, from the moment of birth, death reigns in our mortal body. It gets sick and one day will get old and, ultimately, there will be bodily death. Your spirit/soul does not end. It is eternal. And for those who trust in Christ, death does not reign in us but life, even the very life of Christ. The body dies but the spirit lives on.

The body is mortal; yes, of course. That doesn’t make it any less the “real me.”

In that sense, the spirit is the “real you.”

No; my soul is the eternal part of the “real me.” My body is the mortal part of the “real me”. At the end of time, these parts will be reunited, through a glorified body, so that the “real me” will never be separated again.

While we are waiting for the final resurrection, when those who are alive in Christ receive glorified bodies

All will receive glorified bodies.

I do not believe we will be 'half" of ourselves in Christ’s presence.

On what do you base that belief, then?

 

[ltwin]

The body is mortal; yes, of course. That doesn’t make it any less the “real me.”

OK, I admit I used in imprecise language.

No; my soul is the eternal part of the “real me.” My body is the mortal part of the “real me”. At the end of time, these parts will be reunited, through a glorified body, so that the “real me” will never be separated again.

Yes, our bodies will be redeemed, and death finally defeated. There will be a continuity with our present bodies and the bodies we will have in the resurrection. But, it will not be the same. Presently, we have physical bodies that are not in line with the perfection that God originally intended. At the resurrection, our bodies will be no less physical but they will be different.

“We will all be changed” from the natural to the spiritual (i.e. perfectly aligned with the Holy Spirit’s character and activity) (1 Corinthians 15:51). Jesus “will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body” (Philippians 3:21). Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:36-38, “What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body.” He goes on to say, “What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body” (1 Corinthians 15:42-44).

Until such a time is realized, the righteous dead are not half dead on earth and half alive in God’s presence. Rather they are fully themselves in the presence of Christ eagerly awaiting the redemption of their bodies and the renewal of all creation.

All will receive glorified bodies.

All of the righteous will receive glorified bodies (“the resurrection of life”). The wicked dead will be resurrected, but it will not be unto life but unto judgment (John 5:29).

When I wrote “alive in Christ” I meant those who are saved (not just those presently living on earth).

On what do you base that belief, then?

What belief? That the spirits of the righteous enter immediately into the presence of Christ after death?

Jesus told the thief on the cross, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43).

Paul assumes it: “We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord . . . and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord” (1 Cor. 5:6-8). “If I am to live in the flesh, that means fruitful labor for me. Yet which I shall choose I cannot tell.I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better” (Philippians 1:22-23).

And in Hebrews 12:1,23, we are told that we’re surrounded by a cloud of witnesses and in the presence of “the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect.”

 

[57Bill]

The only difference between Catholic and Protestant afterlife is that Protestants get twice as much Purgatory to convince them it exists

ICXC NIKA.

That was a good one

Your answer is fine by me, regardless.

 

[PJM]

=augustine900;12591095]I recently had a conversation with my local priest about this and I asked if catholic heaven is the same place for protestants. The priest said because catholicism has the sacraments it’s easier and quicker for catholics to get to heaven and protestantism has this rocky topsy turvey road to it in the afterlife.

I just wanted to get more information on this. Are people reserected into the new world after they die where during the cremation ceremony the person is already outside of the coffin living a secret life or does the soul come out of the body and caught by an alternate being as a carrier to heaven. If does the body come out of the coffin and be taken on into heaven or does the soul come out of the body and be caught.

Please forgive me, I have been reading some conspiracy stuff and that hasn’t helped but I am just wondering what the differences are to the path of heaven between the two faiths.

Kind Regards

My friend, here is what our Catechism teaches:

766 The Church is born primarily of Christ’s total self-giving for our salvation, anticipated in the institution of the Eucharist and fulfilled on the cross. “The origin and growth of the Church are symbolized by the blood and water which flowed from the open side of the crucified Jesus.” “For it was from the side of Christ as he slept the sleep of death upon the cross that there came forth the ‘wondrous sacrament of the whole Church.’” As Eve was formed from the sleeping Adam’s side, so the Church was born from the pierced heart of Christ hanging dead on the cross.

846 "How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it."

847 "This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation."

1129 The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. “Sacramental grace” is the grace of the Holy Spirit, given by Christ and proper to each sacrament. The Spirit heals and transforms those who receive him by conforming them to the Son of God. The fruit of the sacramental life is that the Spirit of adoption makes the faithful partakers in the divine nature by uniting them in a living union with the only Son, the Savior.