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I was wondering if your diocese invites Voice of the Faithful to speak?
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I was wondering if your diocese invites Voice of the Faithful to speak?
This advertisement is in the Catholic Courier weekly edition.
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The Catholic Courier Newspaper
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Anyone?
No other diocese has the VOF scheduled to visit in the future?
No other diocese has the VOF scheduled to visit in the future?
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Wow, this is so sad.
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Richard McBrien Comes to Town
For faithful Catholics, perhaps no single person better represents the face of dissent than Rev. Richard McBrien of Notre Dame. From promoting women’s ordination to condemning the Church’s ban on contraception, McBrien is a reliable fixture of the Catholic far-left. And he was also the primary speaker at the September Faith Convention.
Patricia Zirkel, who holds a Ph.D. in theology and is a former associate professor at St. John’s University, gave the priest a rousing introduction. After reminiscing about reading McBrien’s book Catholicism as a graduate student, she explained McBrien’s relationship with VOTF: “Very pertinent to us today, Father McBrien advised [VOTF cofounder] Jim Muller in the formation stages of VOTF. They had many conversations about what VOTF should address itself to, and our mission statement and goals. A very simple mission statement and . . . three goals came out of those conversations to a great extent.”
McBrien spoke about his role and influence in the present Catholic education establishment. Referring to the increase of Catholic laity getting involved in religious instruction since Vatican II, McBrien boasted, "One of the most satisfying elements in my time as a theologian was the time I served as the director of the Institute of Religious Education and Pastoral Ministry at Boston College — I think still the largest and I think the most vibrant program training those who are in the ministries of religious education around the country . . . Many of these graduates — of places like Boston College’s Institute of Religious Education and Pastoral Ministry — now serve as parish directors of religious education . . . and as directors of liturgy or as religion teachers in Catholic high schools . . . "
For anyone who has read McBrien’s writings, the speech had a familiar ring. Much of it was a mixture of previously published columns with some sections from his popular books, Catholicism and Lives of the Popes, spliced in. For example:
In what sense, if any, can Jesus be called the founder of the Church? The answer is that Jesus is not the founder of the Church if by the word “found,” we mean some direct, explicit, deliberate act by which he established a new religious movement, organization or community, complete with a set of ready-made structures and institutional practices . . . But Jesus is the founder of the Church if by the word “found” we mean that he laid the foundations for the Church in various indirect ways — mainly, through his gathering of disciples and the establishment of a memorial meal, “Do this in memory of me,” by which his disciples would remain together after his death.
After dismissing both the ban on women’s ordination and the concept of apostolic succession, McBrien asked, “What specifically in the Church can we attribute to the will of Jesus himself, so that these structures and practices can be said to be of divine law and therefore not subject to change by the Church? The answer is, structurally, almost nothing.”
Referring to VOTF as a “progressive group,” McBrien followed Ginnety in describing younger Catholics “to the right” of him as being nostalgic. This was followed by approving laughter from the 650 attendees.
Indeed, throughout McBrien’s speech, the audience was captivated. They laughed at his jokes, applauded his points, leaned forward when McBrien’s tone became serious, and gave him an enthusiastic standing ovation at the end. Responding to an audience request to make his amalgamated speech available, McBrien said, “I don’t circulate my unpublished papers because I keep changing them and I don’t want them out as if they’re finished products.”
Why would a non-ideological group — as VOTF claims to be — ask the most recognizable Catholic dissenter in America to speak to its members? Bartley told me he invited McBrien “because I read some of his material as recommended reading at the seminary. I found his books — particularly his book Catholicism — to be very well written. He is a good speaker, well-known, and highly respected.” McBrien received “about $2,000” for his time.
Read more…
Fr. McBrien Delivers Cafeteria Pep Talk in the Rochester,NY Diocesan Paper
Moral Dissident Marches On In Rochester, NY
For faithful Catholics, perhaps no single person better represents the face of dissent than Rev. Richard McBrien of Notre Dame. From promoting women’s ordination to condemning the Church’s ban on contraception, McBrien is a reliable fixture of the Catholic far-left. And he was also the primary speaker at the September Faith Convention.
Patricia Zirkel, who holds a Ph.D. in theology and is a former associate professor at St. John’s University, gave the priest a rousing introduction. After reminiscing about reading McBrien’s book Catholicism as a graduate student, she explained McBrien’s relationship with VOTF: “Very pertinent to us today, Father McBrien advised [VOTF cofounder] Jim Muller in the formation stages of VOTF. They had many conversations about what VOTF should address itself to, and our mission statement and goals. A very simple mission statement and . . . three goals came out of those conversations to a great extent.”
McBrien spoke about his role and influence in the present Catholic education establishment. Referring to the increase of Catholic laity getting involved in religious instruction since Vatican II, McBrien boasted, "One of the most satisfying elements in my time as a theologian was the time I served as the director of the Institute of Religious Education and Pastoral Ministry at Boston College — I think still the largest and I think the most vibrant program training those who are in the ministries of religious education around the country . . . Many of these graduates — of places like Boston College’s Institute of Religious Education and Pastoral Ministry — now serve as parish directors of religious education . . . and as directors of liturgy or as religion teachers in Catholic high schools . . . "
For anyone who has read McBrien’s writings, the speech had a familiar ring. Much of it was a mixture of previously published columns with some sections from his popular books, Catholicism and Lives of the Popes, spliced in. For example:
In what sense, if any, can Jesus be called the founder of the Church? The answer is that Jesus is not the founder of the Church if by the word “found,” we mean some direct, explicit, deliberate act by which he established a new religious movement, organization or community, complete with a set of ready-made structures and institutional practices . . . But Jesus is the founder of the Church if by the word “found” we mean that he laid the foundations for the Church in various indirect ways — mainly, through his gathering of disciples and the establishment of a memorial meal, “Do this in memory of me,” by which his disciples would remain together after his death.
After dismissing both the ban on women’s ordination and the concept of apostolic succession, McBrien asked, “What specifically in the Church can we attribute to the will of Jesus himself, so that these structures and practices can be said to be of divine law and therefore not subject to change by the Church? The answer is, structurally, almost nothing.”
Referring to VOTF as a “progressive group,” McBrien followed Ginnety in describing younger Catholics “to the right” of him as being nostalgic. This was followed by approving laughter from the 650 attendees.
Indeed, throughout McBrien’s speech, the audience was captivated. They laughed at his jokes, applauded his points, leaned forward when McBrien’s tone became serious, and gave him an enthusiastic standing ovation at the end. Responding to an audience request to make his amalgamated speech available, McBrien said, “I don’t circulate my unpublished papers because I keep changing them and I don’t want them out as if they’re finished products.”
Why would a non-ideological group — as VOTF claims to be — ask the most recognizable Catholic dissenter in America to speak to its members? Bartley told me he invited McBrien “because I read some of his material as recommended reading at the seminary. I found his books — particularly his book Catholicism — to be very well written. He is a good speaker, well-known, and highly respected.” McBrien received “about $2,000” for his time.
Read more…
Fr. McBrien Delivers Cafeteria Pep Talk in the Rochester,NY Diocesan Paper
Moral Dissident Marches On In Rochester, NY
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This notice was printed in the St. Mary Rochester,NY bulletin.
Voice of the Faithful
A Voice of the Faithful membership meeting will be held
Tuesday September 27 at the Dugan Center from 7-8:30
p.m. New members are always welcome. Be part of a national
movement to provide prayful voice in the governance and guidance of the the Catholic Church. Future dates include…
…read more here September 18, 2005
Voice of the Faithful
A Voice of the Faithful membership meeting will be held
Tuesday September 27 at the Dugan Center from 7-8:30
p.m. New members are always welcome. Be part of a national
movement to provide prayful voice in the governance and guidance of the the Catholic Church. Future dates include…
…read more here September 18, 2005
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In the Archdiocese of Cincinnati, Archbishop Pilarczyk has allowed VOTF into the parishes. VOTF ran an ad in the archdiocesan newspaper which stated that the archbishop gave his blessing to the group. The VOTF website shows about half a dozen chapters in the Cincinnati Archdiocese.
I have sent the archbishop numerous articles and I have sent him links to the VOTF website along with printed copies of information from the VOTF site that substantiates their subversive and dissident agenda (try reading some of the speeches from their past annual conferences, which are posted on their site), but all to no avail. I am open to suggestions on how I can get through to him that he is allowing his flock to be poisoned by this group.
I have sent the archbishop numerous articles and I have sent him links to the VOTF website along with printed copies of information from the VOTF site that substantiates their subversive and dissident agenda (try reading some of the speeches from their past annual conferences, which are posted on their site), but all to no avail. I am open to suggestions on how I can get through to him that he is allowing his flock to be poisoned by this group.
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I am glad you resurfaced this thread. We need to know to what extent the VOTF (and similar groups) have infiltrated our dioceses. These sore spots need to be identified.
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Cardinal Maida has banned from diocesan property in the Archdiocese of Detroit. 
They still make use of non-diocesan church property, such as the local Jesuit retreat house
And, of course, our fine, upstanding Auxiliary Bishop, the Most Rev. Thomas J. Gumblelton is usually happy to oblige as a speaker for them.
They still make use of non-diocesan church property, such as the local Jesuit retreat house
And, of course, our fine, upstanding Auxiliary Bishop, the Most Rev. Thomas J. Gumblelton is usually happy to oblige as a speaker for them.
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As far as I know they can’t meet on any diocesan property down here in Suffolk County.
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I had no idea how welcome VOTF was until I found evidence in advertisements like this. I mean no one stands outside of church on Sunday handing out pamphlets…yet.
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I found this informative chart at the VOTF website.
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WEST
Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington, Wyoming
CENTRAL
Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, Wisconsin
SOUTH
Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas
EAST
Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia
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This gives me the ebbe jebbes. What is the name of that sci-fi about how all the people are taken over by aliens…maybe that is it…aliens…no no…it is the invasion of the body snatchers…:bigyikes:
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Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington, Wyoming
CENTRAL
Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, Wisconsin
SOUTH
Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas
EAST
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This gives me the ebbe jebbes. What is the name of that sci-fi about how all the people are taken over by aliens…maybe that is it…aliens…no no…it is the invasion of the body snatchers…:bigyikes:
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I don’t want to sound like an alarmist nor am I suggesting that Catholic Answers is being taken over by VOTF but after looking at the outreaches of VOTF ( in the chart posted above ) I see something interesting. Maybe someone can explain it to me?
The VOTF outreach areas include USA, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia and Canada.
I have noticed a number of forum members here from all of these places in particular. Why aren’t I seeing more people on these forums from other places……like Europe, Asia, Africa and South America? I am sure there must be a good explanation for this.
The VOTF outreach areas include USA, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia and Canada.
I have noticed a number of forum members here from all of these places in particular. Why aren’t I seeing more people on these forums from other places……like Europe, Asia, Africa and South America? I am sure there must be a good explanation for this.
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Please excuse me while I talk out loud but this is frightening.
VOTF even has a stat sheet on their members.
The full Executive Summary, charts and graphs (PDF format)
I feel like one might feel if they truly found their flesh was inhabited by another life form…almost like a possesion…very creepy.
So I wonder still. Are there others on this forum that sense this happening in their diocese?
VOTF even has a stat sheet on their members.
The full Executive Summary, charts and graphs (PDF format)
I feel like one might feel if they truly found their flesh was inhabited by another life form…almost like a possesion…very creepy.
So I wonder still. Are there others on this forum that sense this happening in their diocese?
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CanoeCamper55
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Yes, VOTF has members in the Chicago Archdiocese and I know of at least one student in Loyola Chicago’s IPS program that has promoted VOTF in a graduate class. I am not aware of Cardinal George’s view of this dissident group.
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A VOTF group meets at a church near to me. At first it surprised me that any parish would allow them to meet there, but then I attended this particular church and well…it all became very clear.
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[A] VOTF has US origins
** CA has US origins
[C] English is the principal language in the US
[D] English is the principal language on CA
[E] the countries most represented in VOTF are English speaking
[F] the countries most represented on CA are English speaking
[G] the continents least represented in VOTF are not primarily English speaking
[H] the continents least represented on CA are not primarily English speaking
I smell a conspiracyOh no, it’s worse than I thought …
(A=B)+(C=D)+(E=F)+(G=H) = (VOTF=CA)
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They have results of an on-line survey in which 1273 of their 25,000 members participated - about a 5.09% response, not exactly a surveyor’s dream level of participation - but, not bad.
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Irish Melkite:
Oh no, it’s worse than I thought …
(A=B)+(C=D)+(E=F)+(G=H) = (VOTF=CA)
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