Rogue One a Star Wars Story

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Hoosier_Daddy said:
A couple of things. Star Wars is incredibly inconsistent with the idea of “the force”. They certainly can work around the darth Vader issue because, the religion could be the structure of the hierarchy of sith and Jedi. That could be viewed as almost extinct in the scene you refer to.
Outside of the movies the force has been used to suggest that many are " force sensitive" like in the Rebels storyline. With possible “secret hidden Jedi”.

But one wonders why in 5 minutes and an obsticle course with yoda, Luke masters all the Jedi skills, but with anakin it took years.

Also I was terribly dissapointed in Carrie Fischer just being some general in the FA. Why is it that the rebels seem to only have six pilots and lose five of them every time?
Why does Lea have almost no skills with the force except that she can feel Han die. She was supposed to be the other option for a Jedi if Luke didn’t work out. But yet, nothing.
Rey is whipping a light saber around and Lea has no skill at all!? Also, her mind was " broken into" by Vader but it’s becoming obvious with the force awakens that a potential Jedi can resist the mind tricks.
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Isn’t it revealed in the prequels that the force is created by metaclorions (spelling?) which live in every living thing?
 
tomarin said:
Isn’t it revealed in the prequels that the force is created by metaclorions (spelling?) which live in every living thing?
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They are backing away from that. It’s viewed as a mistake.
 
So the two planets we will see are

Scarif
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The planet Scarif would be a beautiful tropical paradise if not for the presence of a major Imperial military installation. Scarif is the principal construction facility for the vast Imperial war machine. The world is enveloped in impenetrable deflector shields and is heavily defended.
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and

Jedha
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A small desert moon frosted by a permanent winter, Jedha is home to one of the first civilizations to explore the nature of the Force. At one time a world important to the Jedi Order, Jedha serves as a holy site for pilgrims from across the galaxy who seek spiritual guidance. Now, the Empire occupies Jedha, and a prolonged battle between Imperial forces and scattered Rebels carries on in the timeworn streets.
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“The force is an energy field created by all living things, it surrounds us, it penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together” - Obi-Wan to Luke. It can be used for good or evil.

Later, in an alternate Star Wars universe, a humanoid alien with green skin wearing a long coat whispers to a passer-by: “Pssst [as he shows a vial of liquid]. Want to be a Jedi? These midichlorians will make you one. Only 3,000 Imperial Credits.” This paragraph does not depict an actual scene or dialogue but illustrates the mistake made.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Ed

Dumb… beyond dumb. Dumber than dumb.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
But one wonders why in 5 minutes and an obsticle course with yoda, Luke masters all the Jedi skills, but with anakin it took years.
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I disagree with this. I’m sure that “5 minutes” is not meant to be taken literally, but still:
  1. We don’t know how long Luke was on Dagobah training with Yoda in Empire Strikes Back. There’s a bit of ambiguity about the time sequence - the scenes that show Han and crew on the Millenium Falcon, trying to escape from the Imperial ships, are fast-paced and seem to depict things happening rapidly. On the other hand, the scenes that take place on Dagobah create the impression that a lot of time has gone by. But I think it’s safe to assume that Luke spends at least a few weeks training with Yoda. I like to think it was more like several months, although it’s hard to account for what Han, Leia and the others would have been doing over that period of time.
  2. More importantly, when Luke broke off his training to go to Cloud City and try to rescue his friends, HIS TRAINING WAS NOT FINISHED. That was the whole point of Obi-Wan and Yoda trying to get him to change his mind. He was not a fully formed Jedi with complete mastery of the Force at that point. Look what happened in his duel with Vader.
  3. It is implied that during the time elapsed between Empire and Return of the Jedi, Luke has made an additional trip to Dagobah to continue his training. I say this because when Luke goes to visit Yoda and says he has come to continue his training, Yoda tells him that his training is already finished. I think the only possible interpretation is that there has been an additional period of training, before Luke and the others went to Tatooine to rescue Han from Jabba. We have no idea how long that was, but it could easily have been several years. After all, the actors are all several years older, implying that the characters are as well.
 
The majority of my quibbles regarding TFA have to be left alone until at least one more movie comes out. Why can Rey do this? Why is Kylo like that? What the heck was Phasma thinking not sounding any sort of alarm?! If all of this can be answered in a satisfactory way later on (pleeeease have Phasma turn out to be a double agent…), then there is no problem with making us ask these questions now. Once we have the full trilogy released, then I look at TFA and ponder if any serious storytelling mistakes were made.

And yes, the hubs and I are going to see Rogue One on opening weekend. 🙂
 
No more.

“Yours is a house of desolation, the home of the lizard and the spider.”
 
tee_eff_em said:
I am of mixed minds about it:
  • On the one hand, I do not want the Force to play in the movie – A the time of *A New Hope *Darth Vader was the last devotee of that “ancient religion” – That would leave the movie in the genre of bad space fantasy :twocents:
  • On the other hand, from previews, it looks like the Force *does *play a role 😦
  • On another hand, the previews look pretty good – Probably better than The Force Awakens
  • … 🍿
I’ll tell you what would seal the deal for me – If they would put Carrie Fisher in the movie, and use that youthening software, such as was utilized on MIchael Douglas (Ant-man), Robert Downey Jr (Captain America: Civil War), and Jeff Bridges (TRON: Legacy).

Hubba-hubba :love:,
tee
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I don’t know about Carrie Fisher – but they are using a digital image of Peter Cushing for Governor Tarkin.
 
louisak said:
I disagree with this. I’m sure that “5 minutes” is not meant to be taken literally, but still:
  1. We don’t know how long Luke was on Dagobah training with Yoda in Empire Strikes Back. There’s a bit of ambiguity about the time sequence - the scenes that show Han and crew on the Millenium Falcon, trying to escape from the Imperial ships, are fast-paced and seem to depict things happening rapidly. On the other hand, the scenes that take place on Dagobah create the impression that a lot of time has gone by. But I think it’s safe to assume that Luke spends at least a few weeks training with Yoda. I like to think it was more like several months, although it’s hard to account for what Han, Leia and the others would have been doing over that period of time.
  2. More importantly, when Luke broke off his training to go to Cloud City and try to rescue his friends, HIS TRAINING WAS NOT FINISHED. That was the whole point of Obi-Wan and Yoda trying to get him to change his mind. He was not a fully formed Jedi with complete mastery of the Force at that point. Look what happened in his duel with Vader.
  3. It is implied that during the time elapsed between Empire and Return of the Jedi, Luke has made an additional trip to Dagobah to continue his training. I say this because when Luke goes to visit Yoda and says he has come to continue his training, Yoda tells him that his training is already finished. I think the only possible interpretation is that there has been an additional period of training, before Luke and the others went to Tatooine to rescue Han from Jabba. We have no idea how long that was, but it could easily have been several years. After all, the actors are all several years older, implying that the characters are as well.
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Given the backpack of supplies, and the x wing in the swamp, it’s pretty clear that it’s a day or two. None of the basic tools that any amateur film maker would use to show passage of time were used. i.e. An 80s cheesy song montage like in rocky;)
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Given the backpack of supplies, and the x wing in the swamp, it’s pretty clear that it’s a day or two. None of the basic tools that any amateur film maker would use to show passage of time were used. i.e. An 80s cheesy song montage like in rocky;)
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I always thought it was longer than that. Not sure why but I suppose because the training was intended to look long and grueling, like jedi boot camp.
 
tomarin said:
I always thought it was longer than that. Not sure why but I suppose because the training was intended to look long and grueling, like jedi boot camp.
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Ok, let’s go with the boot camp idea and say it was 2 to 6 weeks, and let’s say that being a jedi requires at least as much training as being a martial artist. It still is odd that he being a petulant teen develops the “chi” to move rocks and x wings with his mind. B

It’s an inconsistency with other Jedi. The only thing Luke had to do to complete the training as brief as it was, was to face Vader. Anakin on the other hand was raised by two jedi for the bulk of his life and they were still using his rank against him. In a way I always wondered if they had given him the rank of master ( which he had earned) if he would have been less likely to be seduced by the praises of the emperor.

One thing I’m not looking forward to is the next movie will almost certainly have Luke spending the entire movie vowing not to join the fight or train Rey, Blech
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Ok, let’s go with the boot camp idea and say it was 2 to 6 weeks, and let’s say that being a jedi requires at least as much training as being a martial artist. It still is odd that he being a petulant teen develops the “chi” to move rocks and x wings with his mind.
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Petulant teen? He didn’t seem like a teen to me. The actor was 28 years old. As far as being able to move rocks and x-wings - he was only able to move the plane a little bit, remember? Yoda had to get it out of the swamp for him. I don’t think he was very impressive with the rocks either. Sure, he could move them, but they fell to the ground as soon as he got distracted. I can’t think of anything that Luke does in that sequence to indicate that he has made a lot of progress in mastering Jedi skills. He shows a great deal of native ability, of course, but that’s not the same thing.

At the beginning of Return of the Jedi, on the other hand, he clearly has advanced a great deal. Think of the part where they are fighting Jabba’s minions to rescue Han - Luke is far more disciplined and effective than he was fighting Vader at Cloud City. That’s why I say there must have been additional training, in the time frame that took place in between the movies. Also, he’s wearing a kind of pseudo-clerical type black garment, which is clearly indicates some status as a Jedi, even if he hasn’t reached “black belt” level yet (to use a martial arts analogy). He never wore that in Empire Strikes Back.
 
Without spoilers this is not your typical Star Wars movie. It’s a war movie. It’s dark, it’s violent, it’s good.

It’s by far the darkest and most violent.

I say this so that people can dicern the appropriateness of age of viewers.
 
Thought it was kinda boring. Loved K2, Donnie Yen, and all the appearances from old characters, but that’s about it. The leads had no energy, it wasn’t very fun, and some of the cinematography was way too entrenched in shadow.

I was a bit surprised to see how it tied in to the other movies - that was a very clever twist.
 
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