Role of each member of trinity

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This is my personal interpertation of what i learned through faith, i found that the holy spirit dwells in us on earth, jesus on earth and in heaven, and the father who is in heaven. The holy spirit helps me with internal problems…virtues, prayer, deep internal problems, inspirations, etc…Jesus with internal and external problems, external examples, help with others, prayers for earth(environment, polotics, etc )…but what would god the father do for me when i pray to him ? what is his role to us as humans? help.
 
This is my personal interpertation of what i learned through faith, i found that the holy spirit dwells in us on earth, jesus on earth and in heaven, and the father who is in heaven. The holy spirit helps me with internal problems…virtues, prayer, deep internal problems, inspirations, etc…Jesus with internal and external problems, external examples, help with others, prayers for earth(environment, polotics, etc )…but what would god the father do for me when i pray to him ? what is his role to us as humans? help.
If the Father didn’t help us by sending His Son and His Spirit, then 😃 Yes because the Son, once again, does not act by Himself. the Father answers the prayers, too. the Father sustains Creation. It may seem like no help, because it is less direct or less concrete. It is providential, so we cannot get it quite.

What i think first is BEWARE not to fall into modalism, or partialism :P. The role of one Person, the other Two do it the same, as the Will is One. when we don’t talk about internal relations of the Trinity - so what happens outside of God, in creation - then it is all of them, and we talk of God in a way that suits our space and time condition. But the Father being in Heaven doesn’t mean he is not on earth. Because where the Son was and is, the other Persons are also. When the Son incarnated, it was only the Son, but he was filled with Spirit (third Person) and the Father, because of the Spirit, was always there too.
And finally, remember that every prayer in Jesus goes logically to the Father. Therefore, the Spirit, the Son and the Father act as one because they are one, and we talk of Him in a way that the Mystery of the Persons (because God is love) can be somehow understood. Distinction, but no separation.
 
I am aware of the untiy, that the way i see it, it is like a brain with 3 parts controlling 3 different areas of the body, but the way i see it the father can go somewhere on earth, but his native assigned place is heaven.

I was just wondering the role he is in our prayers… i don’t understand it… ughhhhhhh 🤷
 
I am aware of the untiy, that the way i see it, it is like a brain with 3 parts controlling 3 different areas of the body, but the way i see it the father can go somewhere on earth, but his native assigned place is heaven.

I was just wondering the role he is in our prayers… i don’t understand it… ughhhhhhh 🤷
That’s the reaction of everyone trying to fully understand a mystery :). We say three parts, and it is technically wrong. But we can’t say 3 without making parts of a whole, in a space-time universe…3 is compared to the rest, but in the Trinity 1 as the fullness of the deity, not because you take 1 person + one person, you have more divinity…the hand may be something else as the foot, but the nature of them is the same, in the trinity. this is not possible in our world, as the nature are two for the hand and the foot. Analogies work, but not quite.
That’s sadly all we can say. The Persons are 3, there is one God. Every Person (not part) does the same exact things the same way the other do. the difference we may perceive is because of our nature, which is not God’s. When you pray to a Person, you pray to God. the role they play (the Persons) are the same, because the Will is one. Logically, there can be relations, but not temporally, like the Son sying to the Father: Hey, I bring you something from Marco. That’s how we explain it. But God the father would say. Yes, I know, You know, the Spirit knows, we do.
 
God the Father is the first person of the Holy Trinity. He is the Creator of the Universe and God of the Old Testament. He created the Universe and man and woman and everything around them. The Fall of Man lead to God the Son, Jesus Christ coming to redeem sinful mankind. God the Son is the second person of the Holy Trinity. Jesus is who we worship as Catholics. He is Our Savior and Sanctifier. Jesus’ bride, The Church is where we worship. God the Holy Spirit is the advocate and paraclete. The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Holy Trinity. Jesus rose after 3 days in God’s greatest miracle, The Resurrection. He sent the tongues of fire, The Holy Spirit to those baptized. I liken The Holy Spirit to our advocate in Heaven who mediates between God in Heaven and mankind on earth.

I love God. God is Love. I love Jesus. Jesus is Lord. I love The Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit the Dove.

Faith, LOVE, Hope!
 
No i am wondering what is his roles are in our prayers, as i described in my first post i submitted my personal interpertation of the trinity through faith from my prayer.
 
And yes i know they all know at once because they share the same thoughts. But the individual roles is what i am wondering, the holy spirit i see is the one that stands out most to me because of the fact that it is inside you and helps you with deep internal things. Jesus i see as someone who is better with earthly problems, confession of sins, organizing day etc…The father i am not sure what his role is.

I am not asking what their general roles are but what are their roles in prayer. If that makes sense, it makes a lot more sense in my head lol.
 
And yes i know they all know at once because they share the same thoughts. But the individual roles is what i am wondering, the holy spirit i see is the one that stands out most to me because of the fact that it is inside you and helps you with deep internal things. Jesus i see as someone who is better with earthly problems, confession of sins, organizing day etc…The father i am not sure what his role is.

I am not asking what their general roles are but what are their roles in prayer. If that makes sense, it makes a lot more sense in my head lol.
Is it understandable that since they have one will, their role is the same? That’s why speaking of roles is an analogy, but it is not how God is. I see that you would like to stick to this idea of each Person serving a certain function. It is ok as long as you don’t separate the persons by saying what the Holy Spirit does, or the way He does it, the Father can’t. Because it is the Will of the Father that the other Persons act and are revealed the way they are and did.
Even if we were to find some patristical explanation on the distinction of the Persons in prayer - there maybe something - still it would respond to your particular point that you are making, emphacizing the Persons. It is interesting, but it would in the end just show how we treat what we can’t fully grasp. So it would deepen the analogy, or aspects of the Persons which cannot be seen apart from the Unity of the Persons in God.

You can make a lot of sense out of it, and imagine this as you like, but you won’t end up with a fully explained role of the Persons. If you look for roles. in prayer or not, just read about the internal relations of God, which are also the same in prayer.
 
One thing that I don’t think has been emphasized sufficiently in this thread, so far, is the fact that the Trinity does not have “members”. That word makes it seem as if each Person forms an essential “part” of the whole, without Whom the others are “less God”. Surely, the interrelation of the Three Persons is inextricable, but the word “member” creates an association - in our human minds - with mutually-exclusive and different parts of a body, or perhaps participants in a Club. The Holy Spirit isn’t the “arm”, the Father the “head”, and the Son the “heart” of the Trinity; no, there is only Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: one God. The unity of the Persons can only be understood in these terms.

Each Person is bound to the Other by pure love. This is the love of infinite, eternal outpouring: not a hug and a kiss, but a sea flowing into a sea, a galaxy colliding into a galaxy, or a whole universe merging with another universe - and even beyond these metaphors. Let us never forget that God is Spirit by nature, and pure Truth. He cannot be seen, nor can any similitude accurately express His nature. Only those three holy designations, forming One Name (“In the Name of…”), suffice for discussion of their glory.

As to practical, earth-bound actions: whatever each Person of the Trinity does in Creation, the “other two” Persons do equally with Him. In Creation, God acts firstly as God. When we are baptized, we receive the whole Trinity, and are conformed to the Human Nature of Christ Jesus. All things in the Universe are created to receive the eternal, infinite outpouring of Love that is God: the “friendship” of the Trinity.

Each Person seems to rejoice in doing a certain thing to Creation. I once heard a priest say that the only thing the Holy Spirit is capable of doing in the world is turning things into Christ. This is a reference to the epiclesis over the bread & wine at Mass, but also to our own interior life, which He turns into that of Jesus. Neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit is our redeemer in the sense of Death on the Cross - only the Son of God, the Second Person of the Trinity, did that - and yet it was truly “God” who did this for us.

Despite being a hopeful-seminarian-in-waiting, I don’t bother myself too much about Trinitarian Theology. The Father loves us, and gave Himself up for us mysteriously in His Son; the Son loves us, and gave Himself up for us by obeying the Father in His Human nature; the Holy Spirit loves us, and “gives Himself up” for us by entering us as a Temple, and by patiently enduring our sinfulness in order to direct us according to His plan. His plan is also the plan of the Father, which is also the plan of the Son, for all things are the plan of God.

I once heard a holy priest say that prayer is Jesus dwelling in us and speaking to His Father by the Holy Spirit. The unity of love is proper to the whole. Our Faith is much deeper than we think. We have been plunged into the depth of the Great Mystery which the Angels worship.
 
So wait can lets say, god the father be next to me right now, or is he limited to only being in heaven
 
So wait can lets say, god the father be next to me right now, or is he limited to only being in heaven
God is not limited. God is eternal. He is forever and ever. God is infinite. He is Spirit and Truth, without boundaries or measurements. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God - and there is only One God. God the Father is not “right next to you”, because that would put Him in space and time. He created you and sustains your very existence, and He (and His Son and His Spirit) dwells within you if you’re baptized.

God is in all things. God allows all things to Be. Without God, nothing would exist. God is everywhere, and God upholds all matter and energy. Creation isn’t God, of course. That’s a heresy called Pantheism. God is in Creation, though, keeping it alive. God is the life behind life, the breath behind breathing, and the joy behind all joys. God is ultimately pure innocence, pure love, and pure majesty.

God became one of us, and as a human being Jesus Christ can dwell in our souls both as the Word of God and equally as a person with a human nature. His Divinity upholds us, but His human soul is united to ours and lives within us if we’re baptized. We don’t literally become Jesus, but He dwells in us like in a house - but in a special way, in a way that is far beyond just creating us and sustaining us. When we’re baptized and have faith, Jesus cleanses us and invites His Father and His Spirit into us as a home. Read the Gospel of John, chapters 14-17. It’s a mystery.

God is not limited, except by His love - which is why He is glorious: His Love. He is Love. God is Love.
 
I am an RCIA student, so wait who can be in space and time? Can only the son and the spirit be in space and time? I am really confused
 
I am an RCIA student, so wait who can be in space and time? Can only the son and the spirit be in space and time? I am really confused
Sorry for the confusion, my friend. This is the most complex subject in all of Theology. I’ll try to be less complicated.

You’re a human person, with a human nature. Your human nature makes you who and what you are. The nature of a human being is to have a body, a rational soul, and a spirit. We humans have a soul, which isn’t physical. That alone makes us somewhat like God, who is pure spirit. The human soul is the spiritual, non-physical place where God can dwell in us. When we are baptized, God dwells in us through Jesus Christ. The whole Trinity lives in us, as persons.

Now, the nature of God is to Be. He is pure spirit, and pure truth. He “Is”, and all other things depend on Him. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three Persons who share one Nature. That is why there’s just One God. There are not three gods. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are eternal and infinite, so they are One God. With their Divine Nature, they don’t have bodies or any physical presence in the Universe. They simply decided to create the whole Cosmos, and it was created from nothing. God continues to give us life from the untouchable, mysterious place which we call Heaven. That is “where” God is.

When the fullness of time had come, in God’s plan, the Second Person of the Trinity (the Son of God) became a human being without losing His Divinity. He was called Jesus Christ by His human parents, Mary and Joseph. God the Father did not become man, and God the Holy Spirit did not become man. God the Son alone became incarnate as a man. That’s Jesus Christ.

Jesus taught us about His Father, who is pure spirit. He sent the Holy Spirit to us, who is also pure spirit. Jesus Himself is a Divine Person, not a human person, so in His essence He is pure spirit and truth: the same as His Father and His Holy Spirit. His true nature is Divine, but He took Humanity upon himself in the womb of the Virgin Mary! Ever since then, He is both fully Divine and fully Human.

This was the decision of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit together: God decided that the Son should become one of us, a human being, out of love. When Jesus comes to us in prayer and in the sacraments, He comes into our souls, spiritually. Since Jesus is never separated from His Father and His Spirit, however, the Father and the Spirit are with the Son dwelling in our souls and living with us. It is very mysterious.

The Trinity is not beside us, or around us, or above us, or below us. This language just doesn’t fit God. He is Spirit. The only place He dwells is in spirit. He comes to our souls, and dwells in us that way. The Son alone comes to us physically: first we saw Him on Earth in human form, but now He comes to us via the holy Eucharist. The consecrated Host at Mass is Jesus Christ: his Divine and Human nature. He is on our altars, but at the same time also in Heaven. This is the great mystery of the Mass.

Oh, this post has become very long … please forgive me.
 
okay i somewhat get it but sometime i ask him or even the virgin mary to warm me up or allow me lay against their breast…I can feel their warmth and comfort in a spiritual way and sort of physical for warmth, It is complicated but my question is can god the father and the holy spirit comfort me and warm me. Also can Jesus christ come in human form on earth right now if he wanted to?
 
my question is can god the father and the holy spirit comfort me and warm me. Also can Jesus christ come in human form on earth right now if he wanted to?
The Father and the Holy Spirit can and do, in the same exact way as the Son. If you pray a saint, or the biggest saint Mary, you are praying with and through them, but you are praying God. if God chooses to comfort you in a way that you think it is a particular person, He would have His reasons. But yes a Person of the Trinity surely can comfort you, no one can better.

And Jesus could, yes, in fact he is present in the Eucharist. 😃 But if you mean in the fashion of an End of Times second coming, He could only if it was the time of the end. No reincarnation. No coming in a human form like he did 2000 years ago. God (the One in Three) does what He wants, but he wants what is good in Love. So for instance God couldn’t want something illogical, or evil, because it is opposite to God’s nature.
And since Jesus came to preach the Gospel, show us the Way, and redeem us, and more :), it would be illogical for Him to come incarnated like He was in Nazareth. What He did was to complete the story of salvation, if I can say. Not that we are not to live our lives, but in Him everything that you may find in the Bible or Tradition, any imperfect glimpse of hope that you see, is in Him. And I understand quite well why you would want Jesus to come again in the flesh. That’s why He is with us, literally, so that we don’t see Him as He is (we would be quite frightened because of His glory), but we are comforted in the sacraments.
 
I think of the Father as being much more abstract than most others do. I’m even wary of the anthropomorphism of Him that is assumed by associating him with the term “Father” and all that may bring into association in any given mind.

Plus it seems at times like He gets mad and wipes out entire cities because of a sinner, but then Jesus paints a different picture almost of indifference:

Matt 5
44 But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors[a] do the same?

Plus I get into the Cloud of the Unknowing, where I presume that all the knowledge and imagination I can ever have about the nature of God, is a hopelessly tiny speck, the “Cloud of Knowing,” and the path to God is to break out of that “old wineskin” and into the Cloud. So basically setting myself up to experience and appreciate mystery itself, and especially lose attachments to any of my thoughts because any of them could be wrong, is a form that describes a contemplative action that works for my like contemplative prayer.

So I’d say God is like all there is, personal or not I don’t care because if He were personal I can’t relate or figure him out anyway so there is the Son, who is a perfect opening in the worlds between the kingdom of His God-calibrated vision and the ugly world. So that showed us as transparently as humanly possible a portal into the nature of the Father. And the strange juxtaposition of evil and mercy we saw at the cross.

Our physical universe and any supernatural beings like demons and angels and stuff, are just one aspect of this God.

Jesus was just like us, except without the ability to develop a social ego that is subject to the fear and egoic influences that makes people become unbalanced in ways of right and wrong, and self v. other, etc. We loved Him, were healed by Him, were given hope by Him, but He overstimulated the hive mind and the power and control sentinels killed Him to preserve order and ego.

The Holy Spirit is my scapegoat for everything, and is delighted to be the leader. I can get frustrated because I don’t like my past, or not trust Him because I fear my future, or I can sit back without worry for tomorrow and focus on today, which is both what Jesus told us and psychologically sound advice. The HS may or may not have personality; it’s like the wind I don’t see it but I feel it or see its influence. It is that part of God that beams energy around at such a fundamental level that what we now call matter and energy are just highly specialized forms of this. Like radio waves can carry thousands of conversations through our head we’re not even aware of, but we have adapted our technology to pick them up and by the way send them in the first place – so might be spiritual principles at work… Invisible, or even subliminally as in microexpressions when face to face and Freudian slips when online – messages of heart are communicated that bypass speech processors and even the greatest actors can only fool so many people. They couldn’t fool people with certain purity level like Jesus or St. Pio; their masks “persona – as in the Greek” didn’t conceal their human nature.

We are all one spirit, so when I see a worm moving or a person speaking or water falling due to gravity, I see those all as manifestations of the spirit. The “life energy” that which creates and destroys like in Ecclesiastes “time for everything.” Things that are alive must change or they wouldn’t be alive. God is not alive in the way a human is alive – because He’s never different so He had to condescend to form a human version of Himself that was finite in time and therefore could develop over a lifetime.

But I got distracted by Jesus the shiny object and the Light, when I was talking about the H.S. Because the HS is just so cool and unconcerned He doesn’t care whether He gets my credit or not. He just does His thing and if I make this decision, He does that just like a ripple goes this way or that depending on where in the pond I tossed the stick.

I think that the Holy Spirit’s complexity and wonder – and hence the alleged “mysterious mind” of God – is exemplified by our science of Quantum Physics. Relativity showed us how much the world can differ from our perception. Quantum Physics shows us that the world is so weird that really none of our rules can be assumed to apply outside our limited context. By extension, God the Father is weirder than quantum physics. The Holy Spirit is the mechanism of the physics – including the basis of the “life force” – and Jesus is what happens when forget to add the smelly stuff to the gas supply. You get the power without the human stench. 😃
 
Oh yes. And I think the Holy Spirit is powered, enabled, and communicated through by one’s heart. Metaphorical, if not also physical.

That’s why the Perfect law is written on the hearts, so like the Ten Commandments are its training wheels and Jesus is the master who removes them.

It wells up from within as living water, once we learn to let our light shine through the bushels of our phony persona, our “false selves” that our culture and society fits us with before we hit the age of reason.

Sorry if my mixing metaphors seems annoying. That way it scatters more seeds with fewer words than if I tried to detail the connections I’m hinting at. If it helps convey, great; if it doesn’t, more verbosity would not likely help because it would add cost to my explanation.

With that I’ll try, again, to cut down on my disclaimers. Your mileage may vary. 😉
 
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okay i somewhat get it but sometime i ask him or even the virgin mary to warm me up or allow me lay against their breast…I can feel their warmth and comfort in a spiritual way and sort of physical for warmth, It is complicated but my question is can god the father and the holy spirit comfort me and warm me. Also can Jesus christ come in human form on earth right now if he wanted to?
Yes, Jesus could come in His glorified human form on Earth right now if he wanted to - but He is obedient to God His Father, who will decide the right time for sending the Son back into the World, so Jesus waits for the signal. What amazes me is that His human nature - taken from Mary’s womb - leads Him to love and desire us even more than we can imagine. Ever since the Incarnation, there isn’t just divine love in the Son, but also human feelings of affection, love, tenderness, and longing for His brethren. This is where the devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus comes in.

Now, you can’t actually put your head on the physical breast of Jesus, because He isn’t here right now in that way. In the Eucharist He is certainly fully present, but it’s under the hidden forms of bread and wine - things which you can’t lay your head on! Spiritually, however, you can ask for this at all times. Always ask the Lord to show you signs of His love for you, and to be given a deep understanding of divine love.

As for the Father and the Holy Spirit (with the Son, One God), yes: ask for spiritual communion with them too! They are Persons, like Jesus! They just don’t have bodies, for they are spirits. When you are baptized or received into the Church, the Eucharist is given to you; in His Body and the Blood, Jesus dwells in you - but because Jesus as God is never separate from His Eternal Father nor His Holy Spirit, He brings those divine persons to live with us in spirit and in truth.

The Father loves you with the same Love that Jesus and the Holy Spirit love you. Divine Love is One, for God is One. Remember Ephesians chapter 4? Paul says “Do not grieve the Holy Spirit”. He is a Person with characteristics, and can even be saddened if we reject His love. He wants us to love Jesus and the Father. Jesus wants us to love the Father and the Spirit. The Father wants us to love Jesus and the Spirit. Always, each Person points to the others. That’s love.

The Trinity is the reason why Jesus told Christians to be united in love. Out of many persons, one body is supposed to be formed. Out of many human persons, a mysterious Church - the Bride of Christ - is born. It is a symbol of the Trinity on Earth. It isn’t a perfect symbol, but it still points to God. The union of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is a union of Love: deep Love so strong, so infinite, so great, that three divine persons are One God. When Jesus dwells in us, His Love for His Father - and the Father’s Love for Him - dwell in us too.
No coming in a human form like he did 2000 years ago. God (the One in Three) does what He wants, but he wants what is good in Love. So for instance God couldn’t want something illogical, or evil, because it is opposite to God’s nature.
And since Jesus came to preach the Gospel, show us the Way, and redeem us, and more :), it would be illogical for Him to come incarnated like He was in Nazareth. What He did was to complete the story of salvation, if I can say. Not that we are not to live our lives, but in Him everything that you may find in the Bible or Tradition, any imperfect glimpse of hope that you see, is in Him. And I understand quite well why you would want Jesus to come again in the flesh. That’s why He is with us, literally, so that we don’t see Him as He is (we would be quite frightened because of His glory), but we are comforted in the sacraments.
Marco, please forgive me if I’m not understanding you properly, but I don’t think your words are accurate.

Jesus Christ remains with a human nature forever. At the end of time, He will not come to us as a spirit or a glorified soul or anything like that, but as the God-Man Christ Jesus: the Judge of all and the King of Kings. His humanity was not lost when He ascended to Heaven. He is Divine and Human forever. When He is present in our hearts, it isn’t just as a divine spirit, but also His human soul dwells in our human soul. He “rests” in us, if we allow him to do it. In the same way, we can lay our head upon His breast, if we are filled with pure love of God and neighbour, striving for virtue. The glorified humanity of Jesus is not a reason to be frightened, because it means God is on our side - and if God is for us, who can be against us?
 
Marco, please forgive me if I’m not understanding you properly, but I don’t think your words are accurate.

Jesus Christ remains with a human nature forever. At the end of time, He will not come to us as a spirit or a glorified soul or anything like that, but as the God-Man Christ Jesus: the Judge of all and the King of Kings. His humanity was not lost when He ascended to Heaven. He is Divine and Human forever. When He is present in our hearts, it isn’t just as a divine spirit, but also His human soul dwells in our human soul. He “rests” in us, if we allow him to do it. In the same way, we can lay our head upon His breast, if we are filled with pure love of God and neighbour, striving for virtue. The glorified humanity of Jesus is not a reason to be frightened, because it means God is on our side - and if God is for us, who can be against us?
Sure: I intended to say, not with a mortal body. He is always with us, and he will indeed come in his glorified body, but only when it is time, not because it would be great for someone to be comforted that way. At best He could appear, but not take a mortal human form.
So He could, but when it is time, and I wanted also to differentiate the fact that the human form is something else than the human nature, this latter He will have forever, but the form is another, a glorified one, so the He would be immortal, if he would come tomorrow.

I hope it makes it clear 🙂
 
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