Roman and Gothic Chasubles

[JesuXPIPassio]

Hi, I’m wondering, is there any reason why the Roman Chasubles seem to be used only with the Tridentine Mass and the Gothic ones are used only with the Novus Ordo.

From what I understand, the rules allow any type at any Mass, as long as it’s a Chasuble that conforms to the rules. But, it looks like the Roman ones gravitate toward use in only the Tridentine Mass, and the Gothic ones gravitate toward the Pauline Mass.

I thought one possibility might be that the Gothic Chasuble just got more popular at the same time the Novus Ordo Mass came around, just by coincidence. But, it doesn’t quite look as if that’s the case.

And, what’s worn under the Roman Chasuble? I thought that, along with the maniple, stole and pectoral cross, the alb is supposed to be used, but when I see pictures of celebrants in Roman Chasubles, it looks as if they’re using lace Rochets. Is this just another style of alb that they just prefer using with this type of Chasuble because the arms are more visible?

 

[dylanschrader]

As far as I know, you are correct that either style chasuble may be used.

Before putting on the chasuble, a priest puts on amice, alb, cincture, and stole. It used to be required also that he wear a maniple.

Some albs are lacier than others!

 

[edward_george]

Either chasuble is correct. As for when they became popular, it is quite possible to find pictures from around the 1950s of priests saying the Traditional Mass in a Gothic chasuble–Fulton Sheen’s This is the Mass comes to mind; he’s wearing a splendid Gothic chasuble in the pictures in this book. It’s a shame what passes for a chasuble nowadays; some are stark, others are downright ugly. I’d love to see more priests wearing the silk brocade chasubles on a more regular basis–right now it seems that most reserve them for “special occasions.” Isn’t every Mass a special occasion?

-ACEGC

 

[Chatter163]

And, what’s worn under the Roman Chasuble? I thought that, along with the maniple, stole and pectoral cross, the alb is supposed to be used, but when I see pictures of celebrants in Roman Chasubles, it looks as if they’re using lace Rochets. Is this just another style of alb that they just prefer using with this type of Chasuble because the arms are more visible?

A pectoral cross is only worn by a bishop.

As has ben stated, an alb may contain lace or not. Some contain a very great amount of lace.

 

[JesuXPIPassio]

Although the amice and cincture are now also just optional.

As far as I know, you are correct that either style chasuble may be used.

Before putting on the chasuble, a priest puts on amice, alb, cincture, and stole. It used to be required also that he wear a maniple.

Some albs are lacier than others!

 

[blackrobe]

A pectoral cross is only worn by a bishop.

As has ben stated, an alb may contain lace or not. Some contain a very great amount of lace.

I once attended a Mass at an historical reenactment where the celebrant wore reproduction early 18th century vestments. His alb was 100% lace, as was not unusual in New France at the time. He told us that generally the ladies of the parish made the vestments and the total lace scheme for the alb was common.

The coolest thing about the event was that when the French commander heard the priest was approaching he hastily assembled the troops, some hundreds of them, to form an honor guard along the priest’s path to the altar. Another 18th century tradition, at least in New France.

The second coolest thing was the smattering of us redcoat Papists in the congregation exchanging the sign of peace with our “enemies.”

JSA+

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Either chasuble is correct. As for when they became popular, it is quite possible to find pictures from around the 1950s of priests saying the Traditional Mass in a Gothic chasuble–Fulton Sheen’s This is the Mass comes to mind; he’s wearing a splendid Gothic chasuble in the pictures in this book. It’s a shame what passes for a chasuble nowadays; some are stark, others are downright ugly. I’d love to see more priests wearing the silk brocade chasubles on a more regular basis–right now it seems that most reserve them for “special occasions.” Isn’t every Mass a special occasion?

-ACEGC

I don’t recall seeing the Greek chasuble before about 1950. However its popularity spread quite rapidly in the 50’s and 60’s.

 

[Aramis]

In the late 1980’s, I asked why the gorgeous older vestments were not worn.

Fr. John Fearon’s answer was simple and direct: they weighed considerably more and were warmer than the new ones. Many of the new were brocades, as well… but lightly lined, and without stiff interfacing, and of thinner brocades as well, some being synthetics.

A couple of sets were no longer used for other reasons. The black vestments are no longer used, since funerals are now to be done in white. But, last I was in the sacristy at Holy Family Cathedral in Anchorage, it was still in the drawer.

One set was not being used since it was too hard to maintain; the silver threads had a tendency to break, and were heavily oxidized. Since it required special care, and was in need of serious restoration, It wasn’t used. Fr. John suspected it to have been one of the original vestments from the parish… ca. 1916…