Roman Breviary 1961

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Besides the print offered by Baronius Press, is there any other available in the form approved by Pope Benedict XVI in “Summorum Pontificum?”

Given some of the reviews I have read regarding the physical quality, I’m a bit put off by the price charged by Baronius. Surely they are not the only publisher offering this breviary!?
 
Have you looked at the Angelus Press breviary?.

EDIT: I think I may understand the problem better. No, I’m not aware of any other such missal.
 
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Given some of the reviews I have read regarding the physical quality
That’s largely why I’ve passed up on purchasing one as well.

I really, really wish that Catholic publishers would reprioritise their project goals. I would’ve far preferred a cheaper, plain hardcover with more attention to quality control and robustness of construction. That way, at least, I could get it gilded and rebound if I desired something more personal (as I did with my Bible).

(Also, I forgot to your reply to your question regarding the Liber Usualis in another read. I’m not aware of any English translation that’s currently in print, but there is an excellent translation available online here.)
 
I really, really wish that Catholic publishers would reprioritise their project goals. I would’ve far preferred a cheaper, plain hardcover with more attention to quality control and robustness of construction. That way, at least, I could get it gilded and rebound if I desired something more personal (as I did with my Bible).
This is indeed ridiculous. There is apparently only one missal out there with a fairly recent imprimatur, and that’s the Baronius Press one. Which, like you said, isn’t of the best construction. But there’s an overabundance of missals printed from the 1940’s to the 1950’s with imprimaturs equally as old.
 
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If you are decent at Latin, you can get the Roman Diurnal which omits the monster hour of Matins but is in Latin-only.


I have this one and it is very well-done. I also have the Baronius Press edition which has a completely reset typing which is crisper in the font. It is also Latin-English and has Matins. But honestly, I know of no layman who is praying Matins. The BP edition is also expensive, and possibly between printings.

My advice would be to purchase the Diurnale and learn it by first praying on your smartphone from the online website www.divinumofficium.com. Once you are familiar with the flow and the Psalms, move over to the Latin on the website. You would have the English there as a cheat. When you are comfortable with the Latin, you’re ready for your book.
 
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What price range are you looking for? If below $100, the Diurnale looks like a good one, as @Windmill testifies. And if you really want something special, check out the Monastic Diurnal at Our Lady of Guadalupe gift shop. Again, it’s probably not what you’re looking for, but it seems to be worth the money. I myself am looking into buying one.
 
The Monastic Diurnal is indeed beautiful. I have that one as well. It is a Benedictine Breviary, so it is not specifically mentioned in Summorum Pontificum as it satisfies the obligation for religious Benedictines and tertiaries. It is the oldest Psalter in Catholicism, arranges by St. Benedict himself. The Benedictine calendar doesn’t always line up with the feast days of the Roman Calendar, so some days are confusing for a Roman. Lauds is also longer as it adds the Laudate Psalms (Ps. 148, 149, 150) at the end of the Psalm section of morning prayer, so it can be difficult for a layman in the world. Night Prayer omits the Nunc Dimittis, so if you like that prayer of Simeon you will miss it. And each hour ends with the Kyrie and Pater Noster just before the Collect. Not a big deal, but again, it adds up.

I admit, I am a Breviary junkie. But I find it has helped me give advice for those seeking a match with a form of the Office.
 
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I’ll keep this one on the radar, thank you. I actually already have the “Monastic Diurnal.” Am I correct that the only difference between it and your suggestion is that it has an English translation?
 
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Thomas,

Actually, no. The arrangement of the Psalter is different in the MD. The calendar is different (it emphasizes Benedictine saints more), all the points I mentioned above are different from the Roman Breviary/Roman Diurnal that I linked to. The MD & BR line up on Sundays and major feasts, but they diverge elsewhere.

If I may be so bold as to ask you your spiritual goals:
  1. Why are you pursuing a more traditional Office?
  2. Do you attend an EF Mass on Sundays or an OF Mass? (It is good to keep on the same calendar with Mass and the Office as they dovetail into each other.)
  3. Do you intend to pray with a group or by yourself? If a group, what version of the Office do they pray? (You obviously would want to buy the one they use and stick with it. Going back and forth from breviary to breviary can be an impediment to real prayer.)
  4. Are there any devotions (eg. Rosary) that you are already dedicated to, time wise? (Any form of the Office is a time commitment. Best not to do too much and risk spiritual indigestion, or worse, neglect your actual vocation in life, such as marriage and family).
  5. Are you fluent in Latin? If no, are you dedicated to learning it? (It’s important to understand what you are praying, or else it turns into “magic”. After a few weeks, you will give up.)
  6. How opposed are you to praying from a smartphone? (Sometimes it is good to try out a form of the Office before buying. Also, the websites have a built-in Ordo that arranges everything for you. This way you learn the flow and arrangement automatically.)
  7. How dedicated are you to toting around a lumpy breviary? (If you aren’t able to do this, then best to use the smartphone you always have on you. also, a pocket-sized version such as the Little Office of the BVM may fit your bill.)
I ask these questions because, in my 20 years of praying many forms of the Office, these have been the questions that seem to help people find a form of the Office that fits them best. You may be searching for a Divine Office that doesn’t really fit your station in life. If so, you will have many breviaries sitting on your shelf that are simply collecting dust (frankly, like I do).

I feel I have something to offer people in the way of advice since I’ve tried so many ways to pray the Office. I have the Liturgy of the Hours in English and in Latin, the Roman Breviary from Baronius Press, the Roman Diurnal (Latin only), the Monastic Diurnal, and the Little Office of the BVM (Baronius and CBP). I’ve used them all. Right now, I am focused on the Liturgia Horarum (Latin Liturgy of the Hours) since I attend an OF Mass and I do not have the time for the Roman Breviary. I’ve tried the RB, but I never prayed Matins and, therefore, missed a ton of the Psalms. At least with the LH I am getting more of the Psalter, and the Latin still keeps things reverent for me. Others may hate the idea of using Latin. Some may not care that they are missing many Psalms by skipping certain hours. Others may like the tone of one form of the Office than others. It’s all good. the important thing is to actually pray.

I post this not to be nosy, but to help those who may read this down the line.
 
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For the full 1961 breviary, there is one other option: “The Hours of the Divine Office in Latin and English” , AKA the Collegeville breviary. It is a 3 volume, Latin-English edition edition of the 1961 breviary published by Liturgical Press in 1963. It is in most regards very similar to the Baronius version.

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It is often available on Ebay, although you may have to hunt around for individual volumes. I got lucky and got the full set for $100, and this is how I started praying the traditional office (back in the days when the Baronius breviary was only a rumor…). Big caveat: it uses the Pius XII psalter (aka the Pian psalter), which I know will be a deal-breaker for a lot of people. It was not an issue for me at the time, as it was my first foray into praying in Latin, and I found the Pian psalter moderately more intelligible as someone with little formal education in Latin. Today, after having prayed (and sung) the classical psalter for years, it would be a big issue for me.

If you’re not dead set on the Roman office, the Monastic Diurnal is really great, and personal I would highly recommend it.
 
I’ve used them all. Right now, I am focused on the Liturgia Horarum (Latin Liturgy of the Hours)
That’s what I do as well. I use Les Heures Grégoriennes to chant the Office, and also Antiphonale Romanum I and II for feasts and solemnities. AR is 100% faithful to the 2015 Ordo Cantus Officii, whereas LHG is so only for the ferial Office.
 
Funny you say that. I just ordered my ARII early this morning. I looked at the ARI but do not see myself chanting Lauds right now. I also have the Liber Hymnarius for the hymns. I’m glad to see Solesmes moving on this stuff…50 years after the Office was promulgated.
 
Windmill, thank you for taking the time to offer your guidance. When I posted my last question, I missed your earlier reference to the MD. Please excuse my lack of attention.

As far as your inquiries go…
Why are you pursuing a more traditional Office?
Generally, it is in tradition that the beauty and glory of the earthly component of our Holy Church shine brightest, in my opinion. With regard to the traditional office, not only do I suspect that our Lord finds it more pleasing, but it enshrines a heritage well worth preserving.
Do you attend an EF Mass on Sundays or an OF Mass? (It is good to keep on the same calendar with Mass and the Office as they dovetail into each other.)
EF, and OF when necessary. The contrasting calendars have been an issue for me outside of Mass, however. Do I celebrate my feast day in July or Dec.?? I have been graced with signs and signals on both days, so I’m pretty conflicted.
Do you intend to pray with a group or by yourself? If a group, what version of the Office do they pray?
By myself, unless I come across a group that shares my preferences.
Are there any devotions (eg. Rosary) that you are already dedicated to, time wise? (Any form of the Office is a time commitment.
Yes, and indeed it is… if I were committed to praying all the hours on a regular basis. My goal is to simply learn to pray the office. Otherwise, I would love to pray at least one of the hours as occasion inspires or permits. To echo my earlier sentiment, my primary goal is to learn and preserve our endangered history, traditions and heritage so that should I ever indeed be afforded the luxury of time, I can put it into greater practice. In the least, I want to be able to pass them down to my children and make sure that such fruit are accessible to them.
Are you fluent in Latin? If no, are you dedicated to learning it? (It’s important to understand what you are praying, or else it turns into “magic”. After a few weeks, you will give up.)
Not at all, and YES. As extremely green as I am, I have been blessed to make it past more than a few weeks! My ambitions may be lofty but I find them worthwhile, as unworthy as I may be. While I have been praying prayers that I dont understand as I’m praying them, I dont regard it as “magic” but as practice… a means to an end… a manner by which I can continue learning and growing. Furthermore, I have little doubt that I am still graced with the merits and intentions gained by praying in such a manner.
How opposed are you to praying from a smartphone?
Very. I do on occasion, such as when there is a feast that I seek to anticipate with a novena that I dont have a hard copy of. To me this is not ideal, however. Least of all because I do not want my prayer life dependent on an internet provider, or a flimsy gizmo.
 
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How dedicated are you to toting around a lumpy breviary?
Non-issue.

Bottom line, I’m still working on figuring out the Little Office of the BVM, to sum up where I’m at. Whenever I have time to at least (attempt to) pray Compline, in addition to my other devotions, it makes for a fairly good day… at present state of my life.
I post this not to be nosy, but to help those who may read this down the line.
I can see that, and I certainly appreciate your taking the time and interest )
 
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With regard to the traditional office,
A not-so-minor quibble but the 1961 Roman Breviary is anything but “traditional”. The Roman Office was completely revised, including a new psalter schema, in 1910. It resembles in few ways the earlier Roman Office, and it broke with many long-established traditions that existed in both the Roman and Monastic breviaries. It is also way shorter than the traditional Roman and Monastic breviaries, which recited some 250 psalms a week (with repetitions). The 1961 is only 150 psalms a week (the entire psalter in a week).

The only active “traditional” Office in the Church is the Benedictine breviary, which is 1500 years old. And it’s not so easy for busy laity. It exists in both pre- and post-Vatican II forms; that is in the post-VII forms, the collects, intercessions, etc., align with the current Liturgy of the Hours, but the psalter schema remains largely the same, though with a couple of variations for communities that omit Prime.
 
The only active “traditional” Office in the Church is the Benedictine breviary, which is 1500 years old.
And it is this the office that the Monastic Diurnal follows (minus the Matins, if course)?
 
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Now, it does not include the musical notes for the chants, as far as I can tell. Is it necessary to sing the correct notes in order to be liturgical, or is it sufficient to just “wing it?”
 
You can always sing recto-tono, or “in directum”. The texts are what matters. You can also get the Psalterium Monasticum (modern) or Antiphonale Monasticum of 1934, which would have the notes and appropriate melodies.
 
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