Roman Catholic Christian views on Final Fantasy 6 vieogame?

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Greetings in the name our Lord Jesus Christ.

After playing the videogame final fantasy 6 (Kefka’s battle),I got really offended as a Catholic seeing the image of Jesus and Virgin Mary as part (attached)of the body of the main antagonist that the protagonists needed to defeat on this game.

I don’t understand why most Japanese game developers don’t respect or think twice putting a religious content on videogames.
 
Can you not send them a message to say how disgusted you are plus you would never to that to there Religion Buddhism.
 
Greetings in the name our Lord Jesus Christ.

After playing the videogame final fantasy 6 (Kefka’s battle),I got really offended as a Catholic seeing the image of Jesus and Virgin Mary as part (attached)of the body of the main antagonist that the protagonists needed to defeat on this game.
I don’t understand why most Japanese game developers don’t respect or think twice putting a religious content on videogames.
I played this very game with one of my daughters a few days ago, so lets see…A bit of cultural background first

The Japanese people as a whole aren’t very keen on the concept of organized religion. They tend to employ a more chaotic unitarian approach, a child might be brought to a shinto shrine, married within a Church yet cremated by bhuddist monks. Organized religion has never been taken with much fevour in Japan, and they find the idea of it…well…novel I suppose and isn’t taken a seriously. The same way we might feel happy cracking jokes about 72 virgins for bombers, they too draw their own parodies.

This is not to say they are not religious, that is not what I am implying. It’s more of a spiritual approach, one based on personal experience and revelation than attending any institution for instruction.

Now…Onto Kefka. The battle you speak about is based on Dante’s “Divine Comedy”, except there are no guides, and Kefka the sadistic nihilist has taken the place of the divine. Each stage of the battle is modled on 33 of the Cantos, beggining with Satan at the bottom (Inferno), The purged (Purgatorio) and “Rest” (Paradiso). This stage is meant to emphasize the torments and difficult journey in this dark new world created by Kefka, and the journey both physical and spiritual undertaken by the party as they rise once more to fight him.

This battle culminates in facing Kefka as a malevolent deity (The beatific vision) and the hubris experienced by appearing before him, and by him when slain (the music will change to reflect this when he is beaten).

Overall it is intended to be an inversion of the divine comedy, instead of traveling towards god you forcefully fight against his nihilism that has replaced the old divine. The piece may use religious imagery in abundance, stopping short of Catholic clerical garments and use of the crucifix but it is an attack on mindless destruction and nihilism, Kefka (some may say he represents Atheism or even Nietzsche) is nothing more than a dread mockery, a terrible darkness decked out in all the glories usually associated with the core meaning of our existence and they contrast against the demonic-faced “deity” to great effect.

I’d recommend taking a peek at this destructoid.com/final-fantasy-vi-s-dancing-mad-a-critical-analysis-157570.phtml , I can see why people may be offended by it at first but the battle and song itself is truly artistic genius. I imagine that’s why it continues to sell twenty years later.

At worst this “mockery” is a parody of Organized religion, but I believe it’s far more likely an attack on Atheism (another problem plaguing Japan). Whatever it is, this is one of the few examples of true art in video games.
Life… Dreams… Hope… Where do they come from? And where do they go…? Such meaningless things… I’ll destroy them all!
Life…Dreams…Hope…Where do they come from? And where do they go? None of that junk is enough to fulfill your hearts! Destruction…Destruction is what makes life worth living! Destroy! Destroy! Destroy! Let’s destroy everything!
These are arguably Kefka’s most famous lines, and if this isn’t a parody of Nilhilism and Atheism, I don’t know what is 😉
 
Am I offended by it? Yes. Do I think the creators intentionally tried to offend Catholics? No. You have to remember that demographically, Catholicism is a tiny fraction of the Japanese population, and that many people in Japan, even in the major cities, have little direct contact with Catholicism or knowledge of Catholic practice (pray for another Maximilian Kolbe to reinstitute the Mugenzai no Sono! :gopray: ). The average Japanese probably has much the same views as we would of Shinto or Buddhism, an exotic “foreign-flavor” faith. The Japanese also don’t have as much of a concept of blasphemy as we do, and you can see Shinto and Buddhist deities used as protagonists or antagonists in video games as well. To the designer, Mary was probably just another “kami” to be used in the toolbox, without much further thought to possible offense.

A similar problem happened when Rintaro did an adaptation of Captain Harlock in the late '90s. He wanted to use a Star of David as the big bad’s starship, not thinking all that much about it other than that it looked “cool”. However, Leiji Matsumoto, who still had some veto power, was afraid that it would be seen as offensive to Jews, and demanded Rintaro change the ship’s design.
 
Thank you! I was just hoping for a thread on Final Fantasy and Catholicism. That is all for now!
 
Thank you! I was just hoping for a thread on Final Fantasy and Catholicism. That is all for now!
I admit I would like to see more of this topic too. Catholicism seems to have been a source of inspiration for a few titles within this series (6 and 10 especially) and it would be an interesting talking point.

I agree it can seem very offensive at first some of the imagery and plot lines used, but once you scratch the surface it has a very profound meaning.

I love the level of deep spiritual symbolism which I can find in many Japanese game titles like “Majora’s Mask”, “Ocarina of Time” or “Final Fantasy X”, yet it’s rarely seen in American titles.
 
Never played FF6 but have played FF7 through to FFX, I seem to remember lots of religious references in Final Fantasy 7 though. I thought people would be more offended by Final Fantasy X because there’s a fictional organized religion which is a bit like the Catholic Church and it’s corrupt using faith to support an evil cause.

Anyway, here’s a great link which will be useful in discussing religion in the Final Fantasy games.

finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Religious_Allusions_in_Final_Fantasy
 
Never played FF6 but have played FF7 through to FFX, I seem to remember lots of religious references in Final Fantasy 7 though. I thought people would be more offended by Final Fantasy X because there’s a fictional organized religion which is a bit like the Catholic Church and it’s corrupt using faith to support an evil cause.

Anyway, here’s a great link which will be useful in discussing religion in the Final Fantasy games.

finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Religious_Allusions_in_Final_Fantasy
The Temple of Yevon…Yes, that is a fascinating one, and clearly modeled on the hierarchy of the Catholic church.

The Yevonite clergy is corrupt in that it does not share the truth (one that is known only to it’s leaders) but I don’t belive that was the main message, after all the Yevonites were lying but for what they belived to be a good cause.

I think the game was heavily based around an opinion shared by Voltaire, and the enlightenment.
If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him.
Yevon was some sort of ruler of a large cultured city called Zanarkand (A high tech version of Classical culture), which was destroyed by an even larger empire ruled by Bevelle (which would later become the holy city of the Yevonite faith, clear contrast to Rome here). In a fit of rage Yevon created a vile curse, using his own subjects as sacrifices (Fayth) to create a terrible monster (Sin) that wiped out much of that great empire and brought about a dark age (the fall of Rome). Whenever sin was “killed”, always at great expense of life it always came back a few years later to kill more innocents.

The religion of Yevon was created in response to this, and the vengeful Yevon was portrayed as a benevolent and kind God. It promised hope and salvation (more references to Catholicism) in return for obedience to a certain lifestyle that Yu Yevon was said to approve of (No machines, no science especially). If humanity obeyed Yu-Yevons “commandments” and achieved “purity”, Sin would one day vanish for good.

Sin was never going to (so it was believed) and it would keep killing again, and again, and again. By creating the idea of a messiah, the Yevonite clergy created a false hope amongst the masses that they would one day be saved and freed from their suffering. In this world there was no god (the player character would learn there was an afterlife but no such thing as a deity) and it was nothing more than a construct to keep society upright and prevent anarchy and despair from taking over.

Part of the journey for the leading lady of the story (Yuna, a type of priestess) is losing her faith in Yevon, accepting the material reality in front of her and learning to carry on regardless of it, doing good for goods sake rather than because a temple or god told her to. She learns to take destiny into her own hands rather than being guided by any outside force, and ends up changing the world for the better (partially by killing Sin, but also destroying the Yevonite temples control over society)

The fact that the Yevonite equivalent of a Papacy is headed by an conspiracy created by a cabal of undead is hardly flattering to organized religion, but that wasn’t the main question proposed by the story. That of course was “If God didn’t exist, could we live on without him”?

Considering Yuna succeeded in her mission, and in the next game she lived happily ever after with her lover, I would believe the player is assumed to take that as a “yes”.
 
Never played FF6 but have played FF7 through to FFX, I seem to remember lots of religious references in Final Fantasy 7 though. I thought people would be more offended by Final Fantasy X because there’s a fictional organized religion which is a bit like the Catholic Church and it’s corrupt using faith to support an evil cause.

Anyway, here’s a great link which will be useful in discussing religion in the Final Fantasy games.

finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Religious_Allusions_in_Final_Fantasy
Were we like separated at birth?! Loved 7 and the themes of love, friendship, death, and sacrifice were profound for gaming at that time. I’ve had difficulty finding a great storyline in a game since FFVII (it ruined me).
 
well yeah,Christianity is a minority part of the Japanese,but I found the game to be very blasphemous and very unacceptable,BTW who is the character / monster designer of this game?

I wonder what’s on their mind when they made this game with heavy religious content?

I hope they know how to sympathyzed and feel what the Catholic gamers will feel when they play the game.

The game is too Good,too Bad the religious content is extremely BLASPHEMOUS!
 
well yeah,Christianity is a minority part of the Japanese,but I found the game to be very blasphemous and very unacceptable,BTW who is the character / monster designer of this game?

I wonder what’s on their mind when they made this game with heavy religious content?

I hope they know how to sympathyzed and feel what the Catholic gamers will feel when they play the game.

The game is too Good,too Bad the religious content is extremely BLASPHEMOUS!
But that is just it Kyokushin, it isn’t blasphemy. I mean sure…Kefka and the Divine comedy draws on…a ton of Catholic iconography but nothing offensives aimed at the church, if anything it attacks nihilism and the iconography is used to portray that philosophy as a dark new false god.

I’m a Catholic, and I was in no way offended. If anything I sit in awe at the deep and profound meaning underlying the game.
 
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