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chriswilliam
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Do you think that the churches that call themselves Catholic will be one. And who will give up most of the believes that makes them different
Roman Catholic episcopal and schismatic will they ever be one again
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BrianH
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No I cannot recall many times in history that a separate group has radically changed their beliefs or even a little. It did happen to the World Wide Church of God, but no, I dont think so, not until Christ returns anyway.
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Semper_Fi_1
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Not until Christ returns.
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manualman
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Will unity be restored? Of course! After all, everybody in heaven is catholic! (Of course, everybody in hell is too…)
Whether it happens before then or not depends on OUR faith. Surely healing schisms is easier than moving mountains. Sound familiar?
If western society keeps heading down this slippery slope, there WILL be a reunification of the church through suffering and persecution. Perhaps not an altogether bad thing. Hmm…
Whether it happens before then or not depends on OUR faith. Surely healing schisms is easier than moving mountains. Sound familiar?
If western society keeps heading down this slippery slope, there WILL be a reunification of the church through suffering and persecution. Perhaps not an altogether bad thing. Hmm…
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MusicMan
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I am concerned about enough unrest in the Catholic Church in the US that it may splinter apart. From this splintering, the portion that remains in communion with Rome and loyal to the Pope may pick up a ton of high-Episcopalians who are upset about the state of liberal affairs in their church. Cardinal Ratzinger’s letter of support to that Episcopalian Church in Dallas that left the Episcopalian Church over the ordination of Bishop V. Gene Robinson may help this along. If Benedict is still Pope should something like this occur.
One of the liberal portions (that doesn’t remain loyal to Rome) may merge with one of the more liberal pieces of Episcopalianism, and we’re really no closer to unification that we are now.
One of the liberal portions (that doesn’t remain loyal to Rome) may merge with one of the more liberal pieces of Episcopalianism, and we’re really no closer to unification that we are now.
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BrianH
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Maybe. In Kansas, a group become Western Rite Orthodox and still others have joined some of the smaller more conservative Anglican groups.
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NotWorthy
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I’ve heard of entire Episcopal Churches converting to Catholicism. Our Priest, one of these converts, says the Gay Episcopal Bishop certainly has led some more Episcopals to consider this same option… uh, joining the RCC, not homosexuality!
God Bless!
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God Bless!
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MusicMan
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I object to the issue. “Gay Bishop” is such a media buzzword. There’s nothing in the Episcopal Canons that prevents a gay man from being a Bishop. Bishop Robinson is in a relationship with another man. The issue isn’t that he’s gay, it’s that he’s fornicating!I’ve heard of entire Episcopal Churches converting to Catholicism. Our Priest, one of these converts, says the Gay Episcopal Bishop certainly has led some more Episcopals to consider this same option… uh, joining the RCC, not homosexuality!
God Bless!
Notworthy
For better or for worse, the same Episcopalians would bolt if the Episcopal Church were to unilaterally allow gay marriage. Then the fact that he is a gay bishop who is married to a man would be the issue.
Mark my words, the next fifty years of Anglo-Catholic relations are going to be fascinating… and much of the progress towards reunification is going to happen during the reign of Benedict XVI.
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NotWorthy
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Should I have said “openly gay”? I’m not sure how much this guy is affecting the Episcopal Church, but he’s beginning to shoot his mouth off left and right, which is really causing problems in the church. The other day, he sided with a “Pro-Choice” group, claiming the Conservatives were trying to make martyrs of them all. How do you rein this guy in?
Our priest in our parish, again the ex-Episcopal from the church in Fort Worth that converted to Catholicism, has talked to numerous of his ex-cohorts. He says the “Bishop in Question”, and the church’s tolerance for his actions, has made a lot of them question whether they should follow in our priest’s footsteps.
God Bless!
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MusicMan
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No, I don’t think you needed to use the wording “openly gay,” but let’s call a spade a spade here. This Bishop is a fornicator. Let’s deal with that issue and then move on to the other ones. I’m not really particular about one’s orientation as much as I am about those who are called to chastity being chaste. How can he set an example for his flock when he is willfully guilty of wrongful behavior.
I think one of the other big problems the Episcopal Church has is the wake of Bishop John Shelby Spong. Bishop Spong had some great “progressive” ideas, but he pushed too hard and went too far, sometimes, I think for the sake of “Because I can” more than because it’s what is best. His behaviors and ideas laid the groundwork for Bishop Robinson’s consecration not just as an openly gay bishop, but as a fornicating bishop.
I think one of the other big problems the Episcopal Church has is the wake of Bishop John Shelby Spong. Bishop Spong had some great “progressive” ideas, but he pushed too hard and went too far, sometimes, I think for the sake of “Because I can” more than because it’s what is best. His behaviors and ideas laid the groundwork for Bishop Robinson’s consecration not just as an openly gay bishop, but as a fornicating bishop.
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Beeline
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Everything I’ve read in this regard, sees the differences as simply dying out over time.
You have quite a few dissenters who’s ranks were
filled in the 70’‘s, 80’s and later and their ranks are not being replenished. Since that time 78’, we’ve had
JPII and now Benedictine 16th. They dissenters
are at a level of non sustainability.
Search the web for these issues for current thought
or Ave Maria Radio, Al Kresta
Relevant Radio etc.
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MusicMan
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Nah… I see a major problem about ten years off when the US Dioceses are closing parishes due to lack of priests and entire parishes turn on the bishops in order to stay open by “calling” priests who no longer have active faculties (lacidized/married) back to the ministry to minister to their faithful.
It’s really scary how thin our priests are stretched right now, and where things could be headed if we don’t improve the vocations numbers.
It’s really scary how thin our priests are stretched right now, and where things could be headed if we don’t improve the vocations numbers.
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Beeline
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Based on a priest shortage you see the Catholic
Church splitting???
The EWTN crowd and analysts dont see this as happening they would be the proverbial Chicken Littles of proclaiming such a thing… Groups like ‘Call to Action’ which are on the forefront of this issue, and want the church to change to their ideals, have to practice deception to gain followship.
The EWTN crowd or Conservative wing(for lack of better words) analysts have no such suspicion of this being possible. What they do see as happening is that more and more Dioceses become less liberal(which is happening) and the Seminaries are being cleaned up ( last 10 years actually) that vocations increase. The choice of Popes Bendecitine 16 was a great demoralizer to the liberal
wing of the US Church who thought that a more liberal/progressive Pope would certainly follow JPII.
Read mgr.org/BoscoDream.html
which most think applicable to this time.
Already many Bishops within the USCCB are already
going against the flow towards more conservatism and enforcing ‘law’ within their jurisdiction despite
group think(liberal) within the USCCB.
Cardinal Mahoney the unstated leader of the
‘Liberal Church’ in the US is eroding in prestige
and power and may find himself having to step
down or be replaced soon (few years).
So based upon many trends and listening and reading many people, and not playing to my fears in this matter and focusing on priest shortages, and noticing that if this was going to happen it should have happened already, as things are already trending away from the dissenters gaining more steam and adherents, I’d have to respectfully disagree with you.
Of course if there was a more persuasive argument
offered by others who try to keep their fingers on the pulse of such items. I’d like to hear it.
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