Roman Catholic religious postulant considering switching to Eastern Catholic church

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I am a postulant with a religious order living in a priory. I have been looking more and more at Eastern Catholicism, particularly the Ukrainian Catholic, Ruthinian Catholic, and Melkite Catholic churches. I have been kind of disenfranchised because I do not see much solemnity in the masses I attend, except on special occassions. I plan to start attending at least one if not more of the above mentioned to see the difference in worship. If I do feel that I belong spiritually more to one of these eastern churches and apply to switch, what kind of repurcutions could I expect?
I am aware that the order I am discerning with, the Carmelites, does accept Eastern Catholics.
 
Keep in mind that as those who would favor solemnity leave, the less the next generation (and this) learn to hold those sacred values.

For example, I had no-one to set the good example for me. I was left to wild for most of my life. It is only recently that God has reached my heart and stilled it.

I feel that my entire church community (let alone my parents) let me down.

Would you abandon us too?
 
I am a postulant with a religious order living in a priory. I have been looking more and more at Eastern Catholicism, particularly the Ukrainian Catholic, Ruthinian Catholic, and Melkite Catholic churches. I have been kind of disenfranchised because I do not see much solemnity in the masses I attend, except on special occassions. I plan to start attending at least one if not more of the above mentioned to see the difference in worship. If I do feel that I belong spiritually more to one of these eastern churches and apply to switch, what kind of repurcutions could I expect?
I am aware that the order I am discerning with, the Carmelites, does accept Eastern Catholics.
Why not discern a vocation within one of the Eastern churches?
 
If you apply for a canonical transfer of sui iuris Church, you will find it best not to express a distaste for the rites of the Church you wish to leave. If one of the bishops discerns that you are trying to run away from a perceived lack of spirituality or reverence then he will not approve the transfer.
 
I am a postulant with a religious order living in a priory. I have been looking more and more at Eastern Catholicism, particularly the Ukrainian Catholic, Ruthinian Catholic, and Melkite Catholic churches. I have been kind of disenfranchised because I do not see much solemnity in the masses I attend, except on special occassions. I plan to start attending at least one if not more of the above mentioned to see the difference in worship. If I do feel that I belong spiritually more to one of these eastern churches and apply to switch, what kind of repurcutions could I expect?
I am aware that the order I am discerning with, the Carmelites, does accept Eastern Catholics.
I think since you are a postulant, and taken no vows yet it shouldn’t be too hard.
 
I am a postulant with a religious order living in a priory. I have been looking more and more at Eastern Catholicism, particularly the Ukrainian Catholic, Ruthinian Catholic, and Melkite Catholic churches. I have been kind of disenfranchised because I do not see much solemnity in the masses I attend, except on special occassions. I plan to start attending at least one if not more of the above mentioned to see the difference in worship. If I do feel that I belong spiritually more to one of these eastern churches and apply to switch, what kind of repurcutions could I expect?
I am aware that the order I am discerning with, the Carmelites, does accept Eastern Catholics.
There may be a different theological expression, liturgical ritual, sacramental discipline and canon law for each of the 22 eastern Catholic churches. For the canons:

Canon 112 (NCCCL, Beal, Coriden, Green)"… because ascription to a ritual church is definitive, it belongs to the status of persons."
"In effect, the canon distinguishes membership from liturgical practice. This means that change of ritual church membership occurs in one of the three ways provided for in paragraph one."CICCan. 112 §1 After the reception of baptism, the following become members of another autonomous ritual Church:
1° those who have obtained permission from the Apostolic See;
2° a spouse who, on entering marriage or during its course, has declared that he or she is transferring to the autonomous ritual
Church of the other spouse; on the dissolution of the marriage, however, that person may freely return to the latin Church;
3° the children of those mentioned in nn. 1 and 2 who have not completed their fourteenth year, and likewise in a mixed marriage the children of a catholic party who has lawfully transferred to another ritual Church; on completion of their fourteenth year, however, they may return to the latin Church.
§2 The practice, however long standing, of receiving the sacraments according to the rite of an autonomous ritual Church, does not bring with it membership of that Church.
Transfer Of Ritual Church

Sufficient reasons:
  • Unification of Church sui iuris in a family (mother, father).
  • Return to the Church sui iuris of one’s ancestors.
  • Spouse who wishes to transfer for peace and unity in the home.
  • Physical or moral impossibility by permanent circumstances to use one’s own Church sui iuris.
  • Domicile and or activity among those who are almost all of another Church sui iuris.
  • Entry into religious life under different Church sui iuris.
  • Incardination to serve different Church sui iuris.
Insufficient reasons:
  • Education, attending school or church or sacraments, in another Church, or ignorance of own Church sui iuris with good knowledge of other Church sui iuris.
  • Good for the soul (insufficient because all churches are good for the soul).
  • Defects in a Church (insufficient because all churches are have defects).
  • Peace of mind or conscience cannot be judged.
Follow own Church sui iuris rules concerning:
  • Holy days and penitential seasons.
  • Fasting and abstinance.
  • Proscriptions for baptism, confirmation, first confession, first communion, marriage, holy orders, annointing.
  • May receive Holy Confession and Holy Eucharist in any Church sui iuris.
  • Contribute to the support of universal Church and Church sui iuris.
 
I am a postulant with a religious order living in a priory. I have been looking more and more at Eastern Catholicism, particularly the Ukrainian Catholic, Ruthinian Catholic, and Melkite Catholic churches. I have been kind of disenfranchised because I do not see much solemnity in the masses I attend, except on special occassions. I plan to start attending at least one if not more of the above mentioned to see the difference in worship. If I do feel that I belong spiritually more to one of these eastern churches and apply to switch, what kind of repurcutions could I expect?
I am aware that the order I am discerning with, the Carmelites, does accept Eastern Catholics.
Switching to another ritual Church is a long process. It usually takes a year of worship within a parish community before you petition the bishop for the change. Added to this is the formation process as a religious. Right now you say you are a postulant so you are not under the religious superior as of yet.

The postulancy only lasts a couple of years at the most. If you can do the change before moving on then that would be easiest but I would still work through this with your spiritual director and postulancy formator.

If the change can not be affected before moving into the novitiate then it will have to be put on hold as the novititate is not a time for you to be experiencing and worshiping outside of your community.

After the novitiate while you are in simple vows you may be able to worship and experience but it is tough. Again any change at this time would have to be worked out with your spiritual director, formator, and possibly your religious superior.

I am a Byzantine Ruthenian Catholic who entered the Carmelites. As I was already part of the Church from birth I did not have to “jump through the hoops” as you will have to.

This might be something better left until formation is over. There really is no chance to live out our life as a Byzantine Catholic within formation except for the ability to attend some of the Sunday services and sometimes attending services for the seasons (Great Lent and Advent). I did not get to celebrate Eastern in the Byzantine Church as we did so within our community. I could have left and done so but I felt that it was more important to celebrate with my community than it was to have the Byzantine experience. If I would have done otherwise I could see issues with the community.

Also know that daily community prayer will be Roman. I do private Byzantine prayers and Readings along with a Byzantine compline but that is pretty much it while I am in formation.

Feel free to send me a PM if you wish to ask me any questions.
 
Why not discern a vocation within one of the Eastern churches?
This is a good question. The answer for myself was that there was no community that I felt called to that matched the one I entered.

I felt called to community life but also to an active life. In the Eastern Churches there really is no such beast.

There is either the secular priesthood or the monastic life.

There are few monasteries and I did not feel called to such a static life.

There are the Byzantine Franciscans but from what I have seen they are very small and really staff parishes alone like a secular priest.

I felt called to live in community but also being active.

The Carmelites seemed to fit this. Also there are some within the Carmelites who have an interest in the Eastern Churches and who are bi-ritual so there is some hope of maybe, one day, God willing, that we might have a Byzantine foundation.
 
Keep in mind that as those who would favor solemnity leave, the less the next generation (and this) learn to hold those sacred values.

For example, I had no-one to set the good example for me. I was left to wild for most of my life. It is only recently that God has reached my heart and stilled it.

I feel that my entire church community (let alone my parents) let me down.

Would you abandon us too?
Well, your loss is our (EC) gain!!

You should be happy for us! 🙂

Alex
 
If you apply for a canonical transfer of sui iuris Church, you will find it best not to express a distaste for the rites of the Church you wish to leave. If one of the bishops discerns that you are trying to run away from a perceived lack of spirituality or reverence then he will not approve the transfer.
I would go farther and say that, if you decide to change Rites, do so not because of being “forced out” for whatever reason. That is letting Satan chase you away. Do so because you have fallen in love with the Liturgy: the community, the manifestation of the theology, etc. Change because you have discovered the proverbial pearl. Know you have found your true love and are willing to sell all you have to possess her! This is the kind of motivation no one will deny…
Of course, to come to this knowledge you must *court *her for awhile. Learn about when she laughs and when she cries, and why. See and experience her beauty, and her elegance, as in the DL. Learn to understand the DL. Be with her long enough to see her when she does not appear so elegant, such as when the bishops are in the decision making process and when church politics rears its often ugly head. Look for the magnificence while not avoiding noticing the flaws. A year has always been considered a good time. At the end of this time you should know her enough to know if you want to be with her (the EC Church) forever!
 
Since our Eastern brothers and sisters claim the same authenticity as we do, the ultimate aim of your religious life will be unchanged. You entered to serve Jesus. Right?

It seems wrong to me that you would leave the Carmelites for another religious experience that is more in keeping with how you perceive it should be. Seems like pride, somehow. I may be wrong, but it just seems wrong.

What St Teresa of Avila would have done was to make changes from within the Carmelites. Work at changing the wrongs you perceive, rather than looking for a more comfortable religious experience for yourself.

If Jesus is not being honoured the way you see fit, make complaints through the hierarchical structure of our Catholic Church.

“Rats leaving a sinking ship” comes to mind. Of course, I am not calling you a rat or suggesting that our Catholic Church is a sinking ship, but you see what I mean.

We need people like you to fight for our faith. Not desert it when the going gets tough.

Hang in there, I say. God bless. Pray to St Teresa of Avila, St John of the Cross - the greatest reformers of our Church, imho.
 
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