Roman Catholic response to "born again"?

[reen12]

quote: NotWorthy

Please tell me you’re not looking to John Foxe to give an un-biased history on Religious “Issues” in early England. Yes, I understand some of my reference material can be considered “Catholic leaning”, but it tends to stand up to historical review. John Foxe’s historical accuracy has tended to be found a little lacking

Actually, I checked many sites.

I’ve just now located the wording of the Council of Constance
[yes, I know…very complicated, historically.]
The point is, Wycliffe’s remains were ordered to be found, if possible,
and “scattered” … These are the Council’s own words…whatever Foxe holds!

[that’s why the papal bull of Martin V [*Inter Cunctas] has bearing.]

Those interested, can check the wording of Session 8, May 4, 1415, last paragraph

ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/CONSTANC.HTM

If the Bishop, in his enthusiam, decided to burn the
remains etc. that’s just the frosting on the cake -
“adventure”-wise.

The point is - whether his remains were burned, or no -
the Council wanted him dug up and taken from his place
of rest [one assumes - from the Council wording- so that he
would not rest in “consecrated” ground.]

If the modern Church wishes to ‘justify’ these sentiments,
it is, of course, free to do so.

The rest of us will look on…with wonder.

Best,

reen

 

[reen12]

Dear Maria,

quote: MariaG

One day in an Evangelical Church, I sat in my pew with tears streaming down my face because I realized I could not recieve communion because they only thought it was a symbol.

Yeah…I know. I’ve read all of these testimonies,
and say: *That’s it!..*still, I would feel “unmoored,”
sitting in a Church where the Eucharist is thought of as
a symbol.

quote: MariaG

I thought I was going to help Catholics get really saved. I found that though it is expressed much differently, there is that same thankfulness and recognition of God in all the little things in life as well as the big, I found many “truly saved” Catholic Christians.

Yes. It is “expressed much differently.”

quote: reen12

Perhaps it’s the way the basics are “stated” - that
gets me looney!

quote: MariaG

There is just also another group who don’t “walk the walk” but still go to church, at least occassionally. The “cultural” Catholics. In the evangelical crowd, those people just stop going and so there seems to be a greater concentration of wheat.

Now there’s an insight definitely appreciated.

If the Son of Man had no place to rest, this is one
little sheep who’s weary of wandering around.
I look at the CC and say: This can’t* possibly* be
what He intended…

I think of the Christmas carol:

“I wonder, as I wander, out under the sky…”

Apt, I think, with Christ’s Mass on the horizon.

God be with you - and thank you for your kindness, Maria.

Maureen

 

[johnshelby]

persecutions were wrong… we all agree on that, but
we didnt’ live in those times…

even the protestant persecutions of “witches” and
those “possessed” who were persecuted in the
early days in America…

f we had lived then, maybe
we would have differing ideas…

people tend to think in the present… they disregard
the ideas of the past, or look at them with today’s
perspectives…

one fact that kinda illustrates this is the KJV of the
bible… a large number of protestant denominations
use it these days, but it was the official bible of
the Church of England, whose persecutions of
protestants caused a lot of people to flee England
for America… lol

the fact of the matter is, there has always been
religious persecutions, the Jews… Christians…
Muslims… pagans… have all been persecuted,
and have persecuted…

all we can do is hope not to repeat the wrongs
done in the past… and hope that by forgiving the
ills done to us, we will be forgiven…

Merry Christmas everyone…

 

[NotWorthy]

reen12:

I’ve just now located the wording of the Council of Constance

The point is, Wycliffe’s remains were ordered to be found, if possible,
and “scattered” … These are the Council’s own words…whatever Foxe holds!

Those interested, can check the wording of Session 8, May 4, 1415, last paragraph

ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/CONSTANC.HTM

If the Bishop, in his enthusiam, decided to burn the remains etc. that’s just the frosting on the cake - “adventure”-wise.

The point is - whether his remains were burned, or no -
the Council wanted him dug up and taken from his place
of rest [one assumes - from the Council wording- so that he
would not rest in “consecrated” ground.]

So, a heretic is buried in a church cemetary. The Church feels its not right to bury a heretic in their holy grounds, among all the faithful. So it wants him removed. What’s the problem? They wouldn’t have done this (as they had no authority) if Mr. Wycliffe would have been buried outside the church.

I’m confused, Reen, what’s the problem?

Notworthy

 

[desire_the_end]

Scott Waddell:

Frankly, you should stay in the presence of people who believe Catholics are not Christian for about the same amount of time you would stay in the presence of loudly-proclaiming members of the Klu Klux Klan.

Scott

I chuckled.

 

[reen12]

quote: johnshelby

…people tend to think in the present… they disregard
the ideas of the past, or look at them with today’s
perspectives…

I’m wondering what kind of mind-set it* took*,
to haul a man out of the ground he’s resting in…
41 years later…

Still, there’s enough wretched behavior to go round
*all *sides - in that era.

St. John Fisher, martyr

newadvent.org/cathen/08462b.htm

I think the thing that gets me, on Wycliffe, is waiting 4 decades…

I dunno. Even budgeting for autre temps, autre mores,
this one seems a bit over the top.

reen12

**

 

[NotWorthy]

reen12:

I think the thing that gets me, on Wycliffe, is waiting 4 decades…

I dunno. Even budgeting for autre temps, autre mores,
this one seems a bit over the top.

Four decades? Maybe they should have rushed in before they could give his supporters a chance to defend him? I don’t know. I recall an article linked in a similar thread last month, I think I’ll go look it up.

After I go look up what autre temps, autre mores, means. For all I know you could be calling me a “druid” or such!

Notworthy

 

[reen12]

quote: NotWorthy

After I go look up what autre temps, autre mores, means. For all I know you could be calling me a “druid” or such!

reen

 

[Pryority7]

I was talking to my band mate on the phone. He just started going to a non-catholic church. He told me that he was baptized Greek Orthodox, then baptized in a non-denominational church, and now he’s happy where he is now. I told him how we as catholics believe that if you were baptized in another church the Catholic Church would hold that baptism as valid (unless it’s something like from a Jehovah Witness or Mormon community). He told me that he didn’t believe that baptism is only symbolic and not integral to salvation. I was upset about that. He apparently has not read Acts where when someone asked Peter,“What must we do to be saved”? He replied with"Repent and be BAPTIZED"…He didn’t say, :Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior"…He said “be baptized”. Therefore, I’ll go with that. I just wish others make their search clear too.

 

[St.Eric]

3 Jesus answered, and said to him: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith to him: How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb, and be born again? 5 Jesus answered: ***Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. * **

Clearly: unless you are baptised and confirmed, you are not born again, or “regenerated”

 

[NiceFundamental]

NotWorthy:

After I go look up what autre temps, autre mores, means.

I believe it is French for “other days, other ways”.

French, English, Latin, they are all the same.

 

[NotWorthy]

NiceFundamental:

I believe it is French for “other days, other ways”.

French, English, Latin, they are all the same.

But… I thought we were boycotting the French! Does this mean I can start eating fries again and go back to my old mustard?

Notworthy

 

[Photini]

Malachi4U:

I spent 26 years as a Protestant. I read the Bible and discovered it wasn’t Baptist or Lutheran or Episcopol or Methodist, etc… I found out Jesus founded the Catholic Church so now I’m a

BORN AGAIN CATHOLIC!

---

Im a prodigal son. I went away, drifted in Protestant meyhem. Now I found my way back to the visible body of Christ on earth, His Catholic Church! Praise God! I thank the Holy Spirit often for guiding me home and putting up with me while I thought I was just another Protestant Pope.

Malachi, I loved this! Wow, do we have similar faith journeys! I, too, call myself a born-again Catholic today! (Confounds well-meaning “Bible” Christians! )

Glory to God for leading us both home!!!

Blessings to all-- I’m enjoying this thread and learning lots!

Photini ><>

My conversion story thus far (it’s a doosey! ):

Discovering the True God

 

[NiceFundamental]

NotWorthy:

But… I thought we were boycotting the French! Does this mean I can start eating fries again and go back to my old mustard?

Notworthy