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Gregory_I
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That Rome is the mother and mistress of the churches is a fact. Any Catholic can recognize that.
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Seamus_L
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Rome is the seat of the visible head of Christ’s church on earth.
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CatholicFireman
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This is turning into “my toy is better than yours”. Give me a break, Seamus.
One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
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Seamus_L
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Don’t know how you got that from my very simple statement. Roman Catholic is a term I’ve heard from the time I could talk, but now it seems to bother some people.
I like the term Universal Church, but even there you'll now see people claiming that a Universal teaching of the Church is just a Roman teaching.
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CatholicFireman
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My statement means, Frankly, Scarlet…". We are all one in the Catholic Church. And this thread started out nice enough, but once again has taken a turn for the worse.
Time to unsubscribe and move on.
Peace.
Time to unsubscribe and move on.
Peace.
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Seamus_L
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YES ! We’re all Catholic, I agree completely, and the frequent use of the term Roman Catholic doesn’t change that.
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kentuckyliz
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I use “Catholic.”
I use “Roman Catholic” around heterodox AmChurch types, to emphasize the loyalty to Magisterium.
I use “Latin Rite Catholic” in the rare occasions in conversation with Eastern Catholics or Orthodox.
I use “Roman Catholic” around heterodox AmChurch types, to emphasize the loyalty to Magisterium.
I use “Latin Rite Catholic” in the rare occasions in conversation with Eastern Catholics or Orthodox.
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Timothy17
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Christ triumphed where zealots at arms had miserably failed : over the Roman Empire, which empire is the most famous in history, owing to its long standing dominance over so many diverse peoples and nations.
The Roman name has thus been acquired by the Catholic Church and bequeathed to us as part of our Christian patrimony. She threw out the evil of it and kept and strengthened the virtuous good of the same :
The Roman Empire came, and conquering, proclaimed, “Roma est victor !” “For the glory of Rome !” was her battle cry ; the Church, transforming these things to perfection, proclaims, “Christ is Victor [over death] !” and cries “For the glory of God !”
I am proud to be a Roman Catholic. Two finer names could not be so joined. A man could be born a peasant beggar to a family of thieves and outcasts, but can always take heart and find way in the name his Holy Mother, the Church, gives to him : Roman Catholic. That name has grafted into it the true cursus honorum (the course of offices, which are the way to honour) of God.
From the Romans, Christ conquered the office, Pontifex Maximus (Latin, literally: “greatest bridge-maker”), which originally was the office for he who was assigned to bridge building projects over rivers. It later evolved and became understood as the chief office of the men who build bridges between man and the gods (the high priest of the College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum) in ancient Rome…). The Catholic Church, knowing the True God, acquired this office peacefully when the last of the pagan Romans abandoned it, and converted it into the office of our Pope, the Papa, the Successor of St. Peter, who still to this day, by his teaching and evangelization, and with his brother bishops, builds bridges for man to come to and find his God.
Our enemies, I assure you, are very jealous of our perogatives and good name. For some of them are the descendants of those who had attempted to acquire them for themselves, in order to abuse them or destroy them outright, and others - having no real patrimony or good name to speak of - are spurred by an irrationale jealousy, envy or hatred of the name, having no viable substitute or alternative of credit, and so shamefully and vainfully try to establish their own or some new one to compete with it.
The pagan Empire of Rome was founded upon the will of men and the sword of death. Christ, over the will of men and conquering death, replaced it with His Empire of Truth, founded upon the Word of God, which is the Sword of Truth, and the Will of God.
I am proud to be a Roman Catholic. I cannot repay to it enough honour for that good name.
Pax Christi,
Tim
The Roman name has thus been acquired by the Catholic Church and bequeathed to us as part of our Christian patrimony. She threw out the evil of it and kept and strengthened the virtuous good of the same :
The Roman Empire came, and conquering, proclaimed, “Roma est victor !” “For the glory of Rome !” was her battle cry ; the Church, transforming these things to perfection, proclaims, “Christ is Victor [over death] !” and cries “For the glory of God !”
I am proud to be a Roman Catholic. Two finer names could not be so joined. A man could be born a peasant beggar to a family of thieves and outcasts, but can always take heart and find way in the name his Holy Mother, the Church, gives to him : Roman Catholic. That name has grafted into it the true cursus honorum (the course of offices, which are the way to honour) of God.
From the Romans, Christ conquered the office, Pontifex Maximus (Latin, literally: “greatest bridge-maker”), which originally was the office for he who was assigned to bridge building projects over rivers. It later evolved and became understood as the chief office of the men who build bridges between man and the gods (the high priest of the College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum) in ancient Rome…). The Catholic Church, knowing the True God, acquired this office peacefully when the last of the pagan Romans abandoned it, and converted it into the office of our Pope, the Papa, the Successor of St. Peter, who still to this day, by his teaching and evangelization, and with his brother bishops, builds bridges for man to come to and find his God.
Our enemies, I assure you, are very jealous of our perogatives and good name. For some of them are the descendants of those who had attempted to acquire them for themselves, in order to abuse them or destroy them outright, and others - having no real patrimony or good name to speak of - are spurred by an irrationale jealousy, envy or hatred of the name, having no viable substitute or alternative of credit, and so shamefully and vainfully try to establish their own or some new one to compete with it.
The pagan Empire of Rome was founded upon the will of men and the sword of death. Christ, over the will of men and conquering death, replaced it with His Empire of Truth, founded upon the Word of God, which is the Sword of Truth, and the Will of God.
I am proud to be a Roman Catholic. I cannot repay to it enough honour for that good name.
Pax Christi,
Tim
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catharina
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I use “Catholic.”
I use “Roman Catholic” around heterodox AmChurch types, to emphasize the loyalty to Magisterium. Ditto, lady - and do I hate that term, ‘American Catholic’! I also use the term to find my way around the phone book in cities that are unfamiliar to me. I’ll never stop using the term unless “Rome” says I must.
I use “Latin Rite Catholic” in the rare occasions in conversation with Eastern Catholics or Orthodox. Also, ditto - and very rarely.
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mardukm
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Dear brother ConstantineTG,
Blessings,
Marduk
I haven’t read the rest of the thread, but I think what sister Catharina is saying is that when this particular group of Anglicans came into Catholic communion, they adopted the local Latin rite (i.e. they dropped their Anglican Rite). So there is nothing that distinguishes them from the local Latin Catholic Church.
Blessings,
Marduk
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catharina
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Thank you. Yes, you’re exactly correct.
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mardukm
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Dear sister kentuckyliz,
Brother Byzbob alluded to this earlier. But when you converse with Eastern or Oriental Catholics or Orthodox, it is best to use the term “Latin Catholic” instead of “Latin Rite Catholic.” You see, each of the Churches in the Catholic communion is distinguished not by Rite alone, but also by distinctive theological language, theological outlook, spiritualities, disciplines, and other traditions and Traditions.
There are some who will view the term “Latin Rite Catholic” (though technically correct) as implying that you don’t really respect the fact that the many Churches in the Catholic communion are true Churches in their own right (no pun intended), but that we are merely “Rites.”
It’s an internal idiosyncrasy of us non-Latin Catholics, borne of a few centuries of being viewed as second-class Catholics by our Latin Catholic brethren. There was a time when we were not considered true Churches, but merely “Rites” within the grander Latin Catholic Church. I hope you can appreciate where I am coming from.
Blessings,
Marduk
Just as a heads up.I use “Catholic.”
I use “Roman Catholic” around heterodox AmChurch types, to emphasize the loyalty to Magisterium.
I use “Latin Rite Catholic” in the rare occasions in conversation with Eastern Catholics or Orthodox.
Brother Byzbob alluded to this earlier. But when you converse with Eastern or Oriental Catholics or Orthodox, it is best to use the term “Latin Catholic” instead of “Latin Rite Catholic.” You see, each of the Churches in the Catholic communion is distinguished not by Rite alone, but also by distinctive theological language, theological outlook, spiritualities, disciplines, and other traditions and Traditions.
There are some who will view the term “Latin Rite Catholic” (though technically correct) as implying that you don’t really respect the fact that the many Churches in the Catholic communion are true Churches in their own right (no pun intended), but that we are merely “Rites.”
It’s an internal idiosyncrasy of us non-Latin Catholics, borne of a few centuries of being viewed as second-class Catholics by our Latin Catholic brethren. There was a time when we were not considered true Churches, but merely “Rites” within the grander Latin Catholic Church. I hope you can appreciate where I am coming from.
Blessings,
Marduk
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Formosus
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I don’t think Latin Catholics should have any qualms calling themselves “Roman Catholic”. The term is much older then just the protestant revolt and has more to do with the fact that the Latin Church was the official church of the western Empire.
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