Roman Chasuble versus Gothic

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Caesar said:
It is an interesting reversion, and honestly I can’t decide either
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The idea of it being larger/broader is good, but I wonder if we shouldn’t go a bit eastward stylistically?
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Fresco from the 14th century depicting St. Gregory the Great wearing the omophorion.

In the Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic liturgical tradition, the omophorion (Greek:ὀμοφόριον ;
 
JKirkLVNV said:
The idea of it being larger/broader is good, but I wonder if we shouldn’t go a bit eastward stylistically?
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Ah, no… :o

In terms of style, this belongs in the East. And I will once again say that the Latin Church should not readily adopt Eastern traditions.
 
Caesar said:
Ah, no… :o

In terms of style, this belongs in the East. And I will once again say that the Latin Church should not readily adopt Eastern traditions.
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Well, yes, but wasn’t it at one time a universal vestment (they just have different word). And look at that fresco, that OUR Pope St. Gregory the Great!!!
 
Here’s a beautiful chasuble, we could learn a thing or two from the designer of this:

 
Pope_Noah_I said:
Honestly, I like the ornamentation that accompanies most Roman Chasubles, but I like the more flowing look of the Gothic style. Perhaps if someone put them together…
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There is indeed a minority of traditional Catholics who hate fiddlebacks and lace albs. The ideal is not the “Gothic” per se, but the full length chasuble of ancient iconography.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Looking at pics of the Holy Father, what do you think of his reversion to the ancient pallium? I can’t decide.
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To be honest, I really think it’s his idea of ressourcement. There’s certainly nothing wrong with it; it’s a venerable tradition.

In ancient times the pallium was something the pope gave to metropolitans to signify that the latter were in communion with and under the authority of the Apostolic See.
 
It is generally popular to wear gothic-style chasuble, which does not make it wrong in itself, but certainly disposes me to be very critical of the fad. I think that the wide use of the gothic chasuble (and bad gothic chasubles, mainly) contributes to the post-conciliar effeminization of the liturgy. I have seen more bad roman chasubles than dignified gothic chasubles (that is, two). Most of them or too flowy and baggy, even if they are made of decent material.
 
cue said:
It is generally popular to wear gothic-style chasuble, which does not make it wrong in itself, but certainly disposes me to be very critical of the fad. I think that the wide use of the gothic chasuble (and bad gothic chasubles, mainly) contributes to the post-conciliar effeminization of the liturgy. I have seen more bad roman chasubles than dignified gothic chasubles (that is, two). Most of them or too flowy and baggy, even if they are made of decent material.
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Not sure why a gothic chasuble would contribute to effeminization. Especially when some would claim that lacy albs with sandwich board roman chasubles aren’t exactly manly. This is really a matter of taste, you prefer roman, I prefer gothic, but let’s not attribute effeminization to one or the other.
 
Sure said:
Not sure why a gothic chasuble would contribute to effeminization. Especially when some would claim that lacy albs with sandwich board roman chasubles aren’t exactly manly. This is really a matter of taste, you prefer roman, I prefer gothic, but let’s not attribute effeminization to one or the other.
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I just don’t think many young men would look at priests sailing around the sanctuary in today’s gothic chasubles and see a manly example of holiness. I think it is possible to have a non-effeminate gothic chasuble; I’ve just never seen one. So the whole style isn’t the problem, but only the way the style is commonly implemented today.

It is also only recently (relatively) that lace has become associated as a feminine thing.
 
cue said:
I just don’t think many young men would look at priests sailing around the sanctuary in today’s gothic chasubles and see a manly example of holiness. I think it is possible to have a non-effeminate gothic chasuble; I’ve just never seen one. So the whole style isn’t the problem, but only the way the style is commonly implemented today.

It is also only recently (relatively) that lace has become associated as a feminine thing.
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Many of the Gothic chasubles today are too long and with little or no ornamentation.
 
cue said:
I just don’t think many young men would look at priests sailing around the sanctuary in today’s gothic chasubles and see a manly example of holiness. I think it is possible to have a non-effeminate gothic chasuble; I’ve just never seen one. So the whole style isn’t the problem, but only the way the style is commonly implemented today.

It is also only recently (relatively) that lace has become associated as a feminine thing.
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I said essentially the same thing about the frothy, see-through alb and it didn’t go over well! I agree with you in that vein, but I’ve seen lot’s of very good looking gothics.
 
Believe it or not, there are some historical variations on the Gothic and Roman chasubles.

This style of Roman chasuble is from the 1500s. It is similar to the modern “fiddleback” chasuble, but it obviously is much more ample.

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Here is St. Philip Neri in a chasuble similar to the one above,

http://www.pittsburghoratory.org/wordpress/images/2007/02/reni.jpg

This is a variation of Gothic, but much more tailored then what you would see today.



The famous Fiddleback of the 1800s,

http://www.execulink.com/~dtribe/blog/fiddleback.jpg
 
Caesar said:
Believe it or not, there are some historical variations on the Gothic and Roman chasubles.

This style of Roman chasuble is from the 1500s. It is similar to the modern “fiddleback” chasuble, but it obviously is much more ample.

http://www.execulink.com/~dtribe/blog/prefiddleback.jpg

Here is St. Philip Neri in a chasuble similar to the one above,

http://www.pittsburghoratory.org/wordpress/images/2007/02/reni.jpg

This is a variation of Gothic, but much more tailored then what you would see today.

http://www.execulink.com/~dtribe/blog/modified gothic.bmp

The famous Fiddleback of the 1800s,

http://www.execulink.com/~dtribe/blog/fiddleback.jpg
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Caesar: I hope that someday you can make a pilgrimage to the Callifornia Missions. They have some vestments such as the above fiddleback worn by Blessed Junipero Serra. I think you’d find it fascinating.
 
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