Roman dating Byzantine Catholic help

[Augustinian]

Hey! I grew up Roman Catholic and been engaged for a few months now to a guy who is also Roman Catholic but wants to transition rites into Byzantine

The guy sound like he’s compatible with you as he sounds “confused” as well.

Becoming a priest is a long trek, particularly as he’ll have to transfer rites as well- what’s his plan for support during this extended period? You can tell me I’m wrong, and I might be, but I’m under the impression that the wives of Byzantine priests have specific expectations as well.

I don’t think the man has really thought out and drawn out his plans here

 

[phil19034]

DeniseNY:

It was not allowed in the US for a very long time;

Which was an abuse based on hatred, fear, prejudice, ignorance, and perhaps racism.

Hatred and racism are strong words to use, esp if you are using them against the bishops. But perhaps not too strong if you are referring to the laity.

The main reasons the American bishops didn’t want Eastern Catholics marrying was because they already had issues with not only Catholics being influenced by Protestants, but also with ethnic Roman parishes.

For example, in the small mining town where my grandfather & grandmother were both born, there were 4 Catholic parishes to serve a town with less that 5000 people.

1 Parish was for the Italians
1 Parish was for the Irish
1 Parish was for the Germans
1 Parish was for the Byzantine Catholics

In 2012, the three Latin Parishes merged. Today, the merged Parish merged with another Parish outside of town and there is no longer a Latin Parish local to the town because the Irish, Germans & Italians couldn’t get along (even today).

The priests and bishops thought that married Eastern clergy would make hostilities amoung the laity worse, esp since most Catholic immigrants back then would have never heard of married Catholic Priests, let alone ones who didn’t use Latin during their Liturgy.

God Bless

 

[JRS_831]

The priests and bishops thought that married Eastern clergy would make hostilities amoung the laity worse, esp since most Catholic immigrants back then would have never heard of married Catholic Priests, let alone ones who didn’t use Latin during their Liturgy.

Yes, so by all means throw out the Eastern Catholic traditions to make Romans more comfortable. Got it!

 

[vallancec]

Just a two thoughts.
Is this something you want to do with your life?
Is he doing this just to be a married priest?
Please understand I’m not questioning his motives or expecting you to answer theses questions on this forums. When I was getting married I was looking for ways to be both a priest and married. It took a lot of praying to realize which direction my life should go.

 

[phil19034]

phil19034:

The priests and bishops thought that married Eastern clergy would make hostilities amoung the laity worse, esp since most Catholic immigrants back then would have never heard of married Catholic Priests, let alone ones who didn’t use Latin during their Liturgy.

Yes, so by all means throw out the Eastern Catholic traditions to make Romans more comfortable. Got it!

That was a very long time ago.

 

[RyanBlack]

That was a very long time ago.

Not really.

 

[MP_Kid]

Well either way, if he (the man discerning a vocation from this post) wants to be a married priest, he must first get married. He cannot enter or be eligible to start his studies to become a priest until he is married for 5 years. If the marriage survives 5 years he can apply to be a priest.

 

[Augustinian]

That was a very long time ago.

More than a century. Everyone that was involved in now deceased.

And even more important, the eastern European refugees at the core of the issue are no longer with us and Catholics from that part of the world are no longer arriving in America

 

[RyanBlack]

More than a century. Everyone that was involved in now deceased.

Historically, it’s not a very long time. Also, the sort of prejudice that led to the situation involving Archbishop Ireland continued well past those particular events.

 

[JRS_831]

Historically, it’s not a very long time. Also, the sort of prejudice that led to the situation involving Archbishop Ireland continued well past those particular events.

Exactly, thank you for reiterating this.

 

[JRS_831]

More than a century. Everyone that was involved in now deceased.

And even more important, the eastern European refugees at the core of the issue are no longer with us and Catholics from that part of the world are no longer arriving in America

It set back ordination of married Eastern Catholic men to the priesthood priests here in the US by decades, as long as 100yrs depending on the Church. For instance, in the Maronite Church, the first ordination of a married man to the priesthood here in the US was in 2014.

First married man ordained priest for U.S. Maronite Catholic Church

On Feb. 27, with permission granted by Pope Francis, a married deacon was ordained a priest at St. Raymond's Maronite Cathedral in St. Louis.

www.ncronline.org

You say the same sort of thing every time this subject comes up so I’m not going to engage with you.

 

[babochka]

RyanBlack:

That was a very long time ago.

More than a century. Everyone that was involved in now deceased.

And even more important, the eastern European refugees at the core of the issue are no longer with us and Catholics from that part of the world are no longer arriving in America

Yet the repercussions of those actions are still felt today in our parishes and in our families. Many of those immigrants (they were not refugees) left Communion with the Catholic Church and their descendants live in that schism today. Our Greek-Catholic Churches today are still dealing with the legacy of latinization, loss of parishes and the decimation of our membership.

100 years is a short time in the course of history.

 

[dochawk]

More than a century. Everyone that was involved in now deceased.

A very short time in church terms–how long did it take for Rome to remember to restore the Cup after the last heretic was found, or to require the priest to request rather then merely here marriage vows (to stop couples whose families were opposed from waking the priest and changing while groggy).

These actions were taken with the intent to destroy Eastern Catholicism in North America. The rifts in parishes and families still exist. Two schisms caused by that bigoted bishop remain open. Expecting the consequences and injury to simply disappear is unreasonable.

hawk