Roman Ordo says Abstinence on All Fridays

[tradcathusa]

Just saw this on Rorate caeli,

Taking these exceptions into consideration, on all Fridays the [Vatican Ordo] indicates (in bold, so that it cannot be ignored by anyone): Abstinentia.****"<<<<<<

Rome has issued a new ordo for traditional catholics. It says we (traditional catholics) are to abstain on all Fridays and even puts it in bold print. It only says what we all have been doing anyway. Whoever heard of a catholic eatting meat on a Friday anyway.
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[Elizium23]

The USCCB has decreed that meat abstinence is not required on Fridays outside of Lent and their ruling is for all Latin Church Catholics in their jurisdiction. Traditionalist Catholics, as well as other types of Catholics, should check with their regional Bishops’ Conference for local rules which may even include the substition of something else for meat.

Traditionalist Catholics, as well as other types of Latin Church Catholics, in the USA are also more than welcome to observe abstinence on all Fridays, because it is an easy way to observe penitential practice prescribed on these days.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

You are quite correct in that the NORM for all Catholics is abstinence on all Fridays of the year.

However many bishops, including all the bishops of the United States, have asked for and received an INDULT by which they can adapt that rule as they pastorally see fit. In the U.S. that indult states that only Fridays of Lent (plus Ash Wednesday) remain days of abstinence, and that on other Fridays a Catholic is recommended to either continue with abstinence or to perform a suitable penance of another type.

One can note that just recently the bishops of the United Kingdom, who had requested an indult to have their flocks abstain only on Lenten Fridays, asked to remit the Indult and as of I believe September of 2011 have returned to the NORM which is abstinence on all Fridays of the year.

Until or unless the U.S. bishops (or any individual bishop for his diocese) asks to have the current U.S. indult removed, a U.S. Catholic is free to abstain only on Lenten Fridays. However said Catholic is also free to abstain on all Fridays or indeed to add any other penance (especially is said Catholic is vegetarian), within reason.

 

[ZxM]

the thing is most catholics think that “vatican II” did away with abstinence on fridays totally and that nothing else needs to be done in its place.

also OP if you would link your source.

 

[John_of_Patmos]

rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/05/vatican-ordo-for-extraordinary-form.html

 

[Elizium23]

However many bishops, including all the bishops of the United States, have asked for and received an INDULT by which they can adapt that rule as they pastorally see fit. In the U.S. that indult states that only Fridays of Lent (plus Ash Wednesday) remain days of abstinence, and that on other Fridays a Catholic is recommended to either continue with abstinence or to perform a suitable penance of another type.

As far as I know, it is not actually an indult, as it is a regional application of a concession specifically mentioned in Canon Law. It may be known as a “Complementary Norm” but of this I am not sure, because the USCCB site has not listed it under that section.

It was decreed in the Pastoral Statement on Penance and Abstinence on November 18, 1966. It was not a direct result of Vatican II, as many believe.

 

[CB_Catholic]

Just saw this on Rorate caeli,

Taking these exceptions into consideration, on all Fridays the [Vatican Ordo] indicates (in bold, so that it cannot be ignored by anyone): Abstinentia.****"<<<<<<

This Catholic has chosen to substitute a penance for Friday abstinence when permitted because of personal reasons, as it is permitted by the Bishops in this country. Are you implying that those of us who choose this are somehow not Catholic?

 

[tradcathusa]

The ordo came out I think yesterday and applies only to traditional catholics. This has no affect on novus ordo catholics.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

The ordo came out I think yesterday and applies only to traditional catholics. This has no affect on novus ordo catholics.

This is a misconception.

There is not such thing as a “traditional” catholic and a “novus ordo” catholic in the eyes of the Church.

There are only Catholics. There is only one Code of Canon Law. The only differences occurs within the forms of the Mass were the EF does not allow for female altar servers or EMHC.

 

[Brooklyn]

the thing is most catholics think that “vatican II” did away with abstinence on fridays totally and that nothing else needs to be done in its place.

also OP if you would link your source.

This Catholic has chosen to substitute a penance for Friday abstinence when permitted because of personal reasons, as it is permitted by the Bishops in this country. Are you implying that those of us who choose this are somehow not Catholic?

I don’t mean to speak for ZxM, but I’m sure he wasn’t talking about someone like you. You are doing exactly what the bishops have allowed us to do - substitute another penance in place of abstaining.

The problem ZxM has, and which I also have, is that by telling Catholics they don’t have to abstain on Friday, Catholics forget entirely that Friday remains a day of penance for them, and most Catholics don’t observe it in any manner. When abstaining from meat was the mandatory rule, no one forgot what Friday meant. Now it is only a small minority of Catholics who observe Friday as a day of penance, even though it is still mandatory for Catholics to do so. In that sense, it’s a lot like artificial birth control, where 98% of Catholic women have at one time or another used artificial birth control despite Church teachings.

This is a big problem in the Church today, the fact that Catholics feel no obligation to conform to Church teaching.

 

[Brooklyn]

Just saw this on Rorate caeli,

Taking these exceptions into consideration, on all Fridays the [Vatican Ordo] indicates (in bold, so that it cannot be ignored by anyone): Abstinentia.****"<<<<<<

This Catholic has chosen to substitute a penance for Friday abstinence when permitted because of personal reasons, as it is permitted by the Bishops in this country. Are you implying that those of us who choose this are somehow not Catholic?

I don’t mean to speak for the OP, but I’m sure he wasn’t talking about someone like you. You are doing exactly what the bishops have allowed us to do - substitute another penance in place of abstaining.

The problem tradcathusa has, and which I also have, is that by telling Catholics they don’t have to abstain on Friday, Catholics forget entirely that Friday remains a day of penance for them, and most Catholics don’t observe it in any manner. When abstaining from meat was the mandatory rule, no one forgot what Friday meant. Now it is only a small minority of Catholics who observe Friday as a day of penance, even though it is still mandatory for Catholics to do so. In that sense, it’s a lot like artificial birth control, where 98% of Catholic women have at one time or another used artificial birth control despite Church teachings.

This is a big problem in the Church today, the fact that Catholics feel no obligation to conform to Church teaching.

 

[ProVobis]

One can note that just recently the bishops of the United Kingdom, who had requested an indult to have their flocks abstain only on Lenten Fridays, asked to remit the Indult and as of I believe September of 2011 have returned to the NORM which is abstinence on all Fridays of the year.

So that means when a Catholic visiting or living in the U.K., knowing this new rule and eating meat on a Friday, needs to confess this before receiving communion?

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

So that means when a Catholic visiting or living in the U.K., knowing this new rule and eating meat on a Friday, needs to confess this before receiving communion?

Only those living there. Those visiting are still under the rules and laws of their home diocese.

 

[CB_Catholic]

The ordo came out I think yesterday and applies only to traditional catholics. This has no affect on novus ordo catholics.

There is something wrong here. There is no such thing as a “traditional” Catholic and a “novus ordo” Catholic in the eyes of the Church.There is one Church. There are not two separate codes of law of the Latin Church, one for traditionalists and one for everybody else. There just isn’t, and I would like an explanation of what is going on. This is not a healthy thing for the Church, separating Catholics. It would be much appreciated if someone who has actual knowledge of the whole thing and knows the truth of the matter (such as a priest or canon lawyer or someone educated in these affairs) could offer an explanation.

Because I don’t see much point in belonging to a separated Church, where separate rules apply depending on which group you belong to. That is not Catholic, and I am a Catholic, through and through.

Something is fishy here.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

There is something wrong here. There is no such thing as a “traditional” Catholic and a “novus ordo” Catholic in the eyes of the Church.There is one Church. There are not two separate codes of law of the Latin Church, one for traditionalists and one for everybody else. There just isn’t, and I would like an explanation of what is going on. This is not a healthy thing for the Church, separating Catholics. It would be much appreciated if someone who has actual knowledge of the whole thing and knows the truth of the matter (such as a priest or canon lawyer or someone educated in these affairs) could offer an explanation.

Because I don’t see much point in belonging to a separated Church, where separate rules apply depending on which group you belong to. That is not Catholic, and I am a Catholic, through and through.

Something is fishy here.

Each Episcopal Conference and each religious congregation has its own ordo.

The OP states that this is the Vatican Ordo. So it appears that this is the base ordo that each Episcopal Conference and religious congregation would take and then modify it for their own use.

Each of these entities has their own ordo to accommodate the saints, blessedes, and venerable for their area/community.

For example, St George is an optional memoral for the United States but in England it is a solemnity. Our Lady of Mount Carmel is a solemnity for both branches of the Carmelites but for the rest of the Church it is an optional memoral.

Each order has an ordo as does each diocese, these are all based off the basic calendar put out by the Vatican.

There is an EF calendar as it is still stuck in 1962 and has none of those canonized since then on it but hopefully this will change in the near future.

 

[Irishgal49]

Just saw this on Rorate caeli,

Taking these exceptions into consideration, on all Fridays the [Vatican Ordo] indicates (in bold, so that it cannot be ignored by anyone): Abstinentia.****"<<<<<<

Uh me. I eat meat on Friday, but I guess I could make it vegetarian day as I HATE fish.

 

[archangel04]

This Catholic has chosen to substitute a penance for Friday abstinence when permitted because of personal reasons, as it is permitted by the Bishops in this country. Are you implying that those of us who choose this are somehow not Catholic?

Here we go

 

[YoungTradCath]

Mmk look:

This Latin Ordo was developed by the Ecclesia Dei Commission specifically and exclusively for the Extraordinary Form.

As regards abstinence on all Fridays, I think it can reasonably and truthfully be said that abstinence is required always and everywhere on Fridays unless in the particular place the conference of bishops has allowed some other form of penance to optionally replace it. So there is nothing wrong with saying that abstinence is required on all Fridays, and there is nothing wrong with “abstinentia” being included on each Friday’s place on the Ordo, even if this Ordo is going to be used in the USA–among other places–where the conference of bishops has chosen to allow some other form of penance.

Canon Law applies equally to all Catholics. In fact, I think it might be a good thing to once again include the little red fish or the word “abstinence” on all Catholic calendars regardless of country; too many Catholics are completely oblivious, for whatever reason, that penance on Fridays is required, and this would be a good reminder just to cover people. After all, the norm for this country is still abstinence, unless someone wishes to substitute other penance.

I think we need to stop pretending that most people know about Friday penance; they don’t. We’ve pretended for too long about stuff. And it’s not a problem that can be solved by a bi-annual parish announcement on the back cover of the bulletin. This, of course, leads into the bigger problem of there being very few real, required practices anymore that can easily be recognized as Catholic by non-Catholics, thus killing our outward identity, which is a crucial aspect for a religion to be sustainable, but that’s a whole 'nother can of worms for another thread…

We’re blowing this topic up into some huge conundrum that it’s really not.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Mmk look:

This Latin Ordo was developed by the Ecclesia Dei Commission specifically and exclusively for the Extraordinary Form.

As regards abstinence on all Fridays, I think it can reasonably and truthfully be said that abstinence is required always and everywhere on Fridays unless in the particular place the conference of bishops has allowed some other form of penance to optionally replace it. So there is nothing wrong with saying that abstinence is required on all Fridays, and there is nothing wrong with “abstinentia” being included on each Friday’s place on the Ordo, even if this Ordo is going to be used in the USA–among other places–where the conference of bishops has chosen to allow some other form of penance.

Canon Law applies equally to all Catholics. In fact, I think it might be a good thing to once again include the little red fish or the word “abstinence” on all Catholic calendars regardless of country; too many Catholics are completely oblivious, for whatever reason, that penance on Fridays is required, and this would be a good reminder just to cover people. After all, the norm for this country is still abstinence, unless someone wishes to substitute other penance.

I think we need to stop pretending that most people know about Friday penance; they don’t. We’ve pretended for too long about stuff. And it’s not a problem that can be solved by a bi-annual parish announcement on the back cover of the bulletin. This, of course, leads into the bigger problem of there being very few real, required practices anymore that can easily be recognized as Catholic by non-Catholics, thus killing our outward identity, which is a crucial aspect for a religion to be sustainable, but that’s a whole 'nother can of worms for another thread…

We’re blowing this topic up into some huge conundrum that it’s really not.

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Oh no. Now you’ve done it.

We agree on something!

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[ellie85]

In the United States, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has declared that “the age of fasting is from the completion of the eighteenth year to the beginning of the sixtieth.” The USCCB also allows the substitution of some other form of penance for abstinence on all of the Fridays of the year, except for those Fridays in Lent. Thus, the rules for fasting and abstinence in the United States are:

Every person 14 years of age or older must abstain from meat (and items made with meat) on Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, and all the Fridays of Lent.

Every person between the age of 18 and 60 must fast on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

Every person 14 years of age or older must abstain from meat (and items made with meat) on all other Fridays of the year, unless he or she substitutes some other form of penance for abstinence.

Abstaining from meat is the easiest form of penance for most people, as you can see the rules did not change, unless you do some form of sincere penance you ARE to abstain from meat.