Romanian Orphans argument against pro-life?

[TheLittleLady]

Over the last quarter of a century, things have changed

 

[Annie]

Yeah… it just didn’t seem to have been that long!

 

[Sbee0]

Costs to:
Have abortion: $500
Adopt a child: $35000+, and a lot more if international

Something wrong with this picture.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Adopt a child: $35000+, and a lot more if international

Adoption does not have to be a pricey private adoption. This is one of those myths that hurts the children who need loving homes!

 

[Sbee0]

Good point - public costs about 3K which is still a lot more expensive than abortion. Obviously private is more streamlined and there is more control and more options for you as an adopter.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Please check your state.

Here are Texas’ policies:

DFPS - Adoption Assistance

 

[Wife.of.Gabriel]

What do you think ?

Oh my goodness!

One of my older daughters was on the swim team with a Romanian Orphan who’d been adopted by a Romanian man who was married an American woman. Her parents adored her. Her friends love her. Her life is just as valuable as the idiot who suggested she would have been better off dead via abortion. She’s an adult now & living a good life. How dare anyone think she should never have had the opportunity to live!? Her presence in this world could not be replaced!!! The nerve of some people :frowning_face_with_open_mouth:

 

[Wife.of.Gabriel]

Adopt a child: $35000+, and a lot more if international

Something wrong with this picture.

Yes, part of what’s wrong is your mistake about the cost of Adoption. It literally costs nothing to adopt in the United States.

My husband and I each Adopted daughters as single parents before we met - it cost us each nothing. Initially, it did cost me the price of a new birth certificate for my daughter, but that was reimbursed, of course. If I remember right, that was $20. or $25.

It’s WAY more expensive to adopt a cat. I was out of pocket $100. for that and No reimbursement.

 

[Sbee0]

Sbee0:

Adopt a child: $35000+, and a lot more if international

Something wrong with this picture.

Yes, part of what’s wrong is your mistake about the cost of Adoption. It literally costs nothing to adopt in the United States.

My husband and I each Adopted daughters as single parents before we met - it cost us each nothing. Initially, it did cost me the price of a new birth certificate for my daughter, but that was reimbursed, of course. If I remember right, that was $20. or $25.

It’s WAY more expensive to adopt a cat. I was out of pocket $100. for that and No reimbursement.

I was factoring in the entire cost of adoption and care but you’re kind of right - my first post was based on the price of private adoption

 

[Wife.of.Gabriel]

I was factoring in the entire cost of adoption and care but you’re kind of right - my first post was based on the price of private adoption

Entire cost of adoption is $0. The cost of raising an adopted child is the same cost as raising any child, but actually cheaper considering health insurance is provided free of charge until they reach age 18 & possibly far cheaper due to the government program AAP (Adoption Assistance Program).

 

[Sbee0]

Sbee0:

I was factoring in the entire cost of adoption and care but you’re kind of right - my first post was based on the price of private adoption

Entire cost of adoption is $0. The cost of raising an adopted child is the same cost as raising any child, but actually cheaper considering health insurance is provided free of charge until they reach age 18 & possibly far cheaper due to the government program AAP (Adoption Assistance Program).

Ok. I stand corrected. I was under the impression it was $3K or so.

That is great and helps address my concern that there’s a gap that needs to be closed to help adoption become a really attractive option and alternative to a “cheap” abortion.

 

[midori]

DH does a lot of work with ad litem kids— it keeps us from doing anything else, because it would conflict him out if we were to work with CPS on the side. He deals a lot with kids who get taken from their parents due to drug use/criminal activity/etc.

About 4 out of 10 kids, in our area, get placed with relatives. They don’t get counted towards the foster system. He mentioned something, though, about if you take the foster classes, then you’d get reimbursed by the state. I wasn’t really clear about how that worked.

That leaves about 6 out of 10 kids who get directed into the foster system. Foster kids get free in-state tuition, which is nice— college costs being a major factor in some people’s openness to bigger families. It’s my impression that foster kids get free healthcare as well.

About 1 out of 10 kids in the foster system have serious psychological/behavioral issues that make them difficult to manage without training.

But that still leaves about 5 out of 10 kids who just need a home and someone to love them.

 

[Theo520]

Do you mind linking to the source for this please. Thank you.

International adoptions is a significant component of non-relative adoptions.

Demand far exceeds supply of normal healthy babies. The problem is in finding families for older children or those with disabilities and health issues.

 

[Theo520]

Thank you. But that is all still significantly less than the number of abortions performed every year.

Wouldn’t you expect there are more willing and able to adopt than also have the money to go abroad and adopt a child? Foreign adoptions are just an indication of the pent up demand.

here’s another article for you, with an excerpt. Demand for the average healthy baby far exceeds supply in the USA.

In every era, there’s been a tragic contrast between the burden of unwanted pregnancies and the burden of infertility. But this gap used to be bridged by adoption far more frequently than it is today. Prior to 1973, 20 percent of births to white, unmarried women (and 9 percent of unwed births over all) led to an adoption. Today, just 1 percent of babies born to unwed mothers are adopted, and would-be adoptive parents face a waiting list that has lengthened beyond reason.

Abortion, Adoption, Supply and Demand - The Atlantic

 

[Theo520]

I think that there is a very different culture of adoption in the US compared to the UK. We just don’t have this “pent up demand” here. We cannot find enough potential adoping families.

After reading your post, I found the below article. It sounds like the bureaucracy is strangling the demand for healthy babies until the children are getting past prime adoption age.

The waiting game | The Spectator