Romanian Orthodox and Roman Catholic priests concelebrate Divine Liturgy in Romania

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Actually, there are provisions for concelebration with the orthodox as part of ecumenical activities. It wasn’t intended for Divine Liturgy, but… it doesn’t actually exclude it.

And there is permission on a case-by-case basis to permit PNCC, UOC, EO, OO, ACE, AAOC, or SOC priests to concelebrate with Catholic priests when no indifferentism exists. It happens rarely, but is not unheard of.

In the case of the Russian, Ukrainian and Ruthenian GCCs, Concelebration meant survival.
 
josephdaniel29 said:
If the report is true (and that’s a big if), then the hierarch who approved it and the priest will be deposed by the Holy Synod. I would expect there to be disciplinary action taken against the Catholic priest as well for celebrating a liturgy with schismatic clergy. I can’t imagine that is allowed in the Catholic Church.

In Christ
Joe
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With Vatican 2 everything seems to be allowed in the Catholic Church these days.
 
Aramis said:
Actually, there are provisions for concelebration with the orthodox as part of ecumenical activities. It wasn’t intended for Divine Liturgy, but… it doesn’t actually exclude it.

And there is permission on a case-by-case basis to permit PNCC, UOC, EO, OO, ACE, AAOC, or SOC priests to concelebrate with Catholic priests when no indifferentism exists. It happens rarely, but is not unheard of.

In the case of the Russian, Ukrainian and Ruthenian GCCs, Concelebration meant survival.
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Do those provisions allow for a Catholic priest to concelebrate at an Orthodox altar? Concelebration necessarily includes Eucharistic communion. Do the provisions extend to the reception of the Eucharist as is alleged in this article? Under these circumstances isn’t that forbidden under current Catholic canon law?

In Christ
Joe
 
josephdaniel29 said:
Do those provisions allow for a Catholic priest to concelebrate at an Orthodox altar? Concelebration necessarily includes Eucharistic communion. Do the provisions extend to the reception of the Eucharist as is alleged in this article? Under these circumstances isn’t that forbidden under current Catholic canon law?

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Catholic priests may indeed concelebrate, and share the Eucharist with, Orthodox priests. There is nothing expressly prohibiting this in any of the Canons that I’m aware of.

I myself have attended a Divine Liturgy concelebrated by a Melkite Catholic Bishop, a Melkite Catholic priest, and a Syriac Orthodox priest. IIRC, the Syriac priest distributed Communion. 🙂

Peace and God bless!
 
Ghosty said:
Catholic priests may indeed concelebrate, and share the Eucharist with, Orthodox priests. There is nothing expressly prohibiting this in any of the Canons that I’m aware of.

I myself have attended a Divine Liturgy concelebrated by a Melkite Catholic Bishop, a Melkite Catholic priest, and a Syriac Orthodox priest. IIRC, the Syriac priest distributed Communion. 🙂

Peace and God bless!
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So concelebration is allowed under certain circumstances , contrary to what some here have posted. Of course, in this case, it looks like it was a Roman Catholic priest and not a Greek Catholic priest who was concelebrating with an Orthodox priest - which is a bit more unusual.
 
Ghosty said:
Catholic priests may indeed concelebrate, and share the Eucharist with, Orthodox priests. There is nothing expressly prohibiting this in any of the Canons that I’m aware of.
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There may be nothing in the CCEO expressly forbidding it, but at the same time there’s nothing that expressly allows it either. I believe the same is true from EO side.
Ghosty said:
I myself have attended a Divine Liturgy concelebrated by a Melkite Catholic Bishop, a Melkite Catholic priest, and a Syriac Orthodox priest. IIRC, the Syriac priest distributed Communion. 🙂
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While I’ve not attended it myself, I’ve been told that there have been occasions when Melkite and Antiochian Orthodox priests have concelebrated. (I know at least two Melkite priests who did this, one of whom was bi-ritual Melkite/Maronite.) As I recall, at least one of those times was a wedding.

I also know a Ruthenian priest who was invited to concelebrate (and did) by a Ukrainian Orthodox bishop – in Ukraine!
 
The only explicitly official concelebration that can occur between Catholics and other apostolic Christians is with the SOC.

There are two conditions :
  1. it has to occur in the context of a social event that would normally require the celebration of or attendance at a Mass (i.e., a birthday, a graduation, a first communion, etc.).
  2. The congregatiion must consist of at least one couple in a mixed marriage (one spouse is Catholic, the other spouse from the SOC).
This pastoral agreement has existed between the CC and SOC since 1994.

It’s possible other Catholics Churches are using it as a model.

But a concelebration in any other context (e.g., if a priest from one Church is invited by a priest from another Church to concelebrate merely as a symbolic gesture of hoped-for unity) is forbidden by Canon 702 of EEOC.

Blessings

Blessings
 
sidbrown said:
So concelebration is allowed under certain circumstances , contrary to what some here have posted. Of course, in this case, it looks like it was a Roman Catholic priest and not a Greek Catholic priest who was concelebrating with an Orthodox priest - which is a bit more unusual.
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It was also an Oriental Orthodox priest, not an Eastern Orthodox priest. An important distinction.
 
CIC and CCEO both explicitly prohibit concelebration of the Mass or Divine Liturgy with non-Catholic clergy----there are no exceptions listed----concelebration being the consecration of the sacred elements by both priests. However, when there are intermarriages, an Orthodox priest (from a Catholic canonical perspective), may be invited to offer prayers for the couple or in the case of baptism, to say some of the prayers of the ceremony when the child is that of an intermarried couple.

For those who say concelebration is permitted, we need sources, please (I’ve provided mine), otherwise, saying this is permitted is downright scandalous and dangerous to the faith of those concerned and promotes indifference to the unity of the Church.
 
angelic06 said:
CIC and CCEO both explicitly prohibit concelebration of the Mass or Divine Liturgy with non-Catholic clergy----there are no exceptions listed----concelebration being the consecration of the sacred elements by both priests. However, when there are intermarriages, an Orthodox priest (from a Catholic canonical perspective), may be invited to offer prayers for the couple or in the case of baptism, to say some of the prayers of the ceremony when the child is that of an intermarried couple.

For those who say concelebration is permitted, we need sources, please (I’ve provided mine), otherwise, saying this is permitted is downright scandalous and dangerous to the faith of those concerned and promotes indifference to the unity of the Church.
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angelic06 said:
CIC and CCEO both explicitly prohibit concelebration of the Mass or Divine Liturgy with non-Catholic clergy----there are no exceptions listed----concelebration being the consecration of the sacred elements by both priests. However, when there are intermarriages, an Orthodox priest (from a Catholic canonical perspective), may be invited to offer prayers for the couple or in the case of baptism, to say some of the prayers of the ceremony when the child is that of an intermarried couple.

For those who say concelebration is permitted, we need sources, please (I’ve provided mine), otherwise, saying this is permitted is downright scandalous and dangerous to the faith of those concerned and promotes indifference to the unity of the Church.
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Can you list the canons for us?
 
josephdaniel29 said:
Not sure what that has to do with the OP. 🤷
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This thread is about concelebration, and when it can be allowed. The other one is about smearing Catholic clergy, asserting that they believe all sorts of crazy things, and how easily Catholics are duped and led astray.

It’s an endemic and uncharitable attitude by some Orthodox and stiff-necked Orthodox clergy over there.
 
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