Romans 13 and the serving of two masters

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Hello everyone. I got into an argument with some rather vociferous atheists the other day, and I was wondering if anyone here could help me out.

My problem is that the issue of a man being unable to truly serve two masters was raised along with Paul’s teaching that Christians are to be obedient to the secular authorities. My debating opponent sees this as being contradictory, and I’m unsure as to how to explain the apparent clash in logic.
 
We are to render unto Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is God’s. This does not constitute serving two masters, because the minute Caesar demands of us anything that interferes with our service to God we refuse. Caesar is never our master, God always is.

The same is true of any other relationship we are in. "Wives obey your husbands . . . " right up to the point where they demand that you disobey God.
 
Hello everyone. I got into an argument with some rather vociferous atheists the other day, and I was wondering if anyone here could help me out.

My problem is that the issue of a man being unable to truly serve two masters was raised along with Paul’s teaching that Christians are to be obedient to the secular authorities. My debating opponent sees this as being contradictory, and I’m unsure as to how to explain the apparent clash in logic.
First, it sounds like the passages in question are being taken out of context. The two are totally unrelated in my opinion. In one, Jesus is speaking about the love of riches over the love of God, not of a literal “master,” i.e. government. Secondly, Paul says we are to submit to the authorities in Romans 13 because they are God’s agent to punish with the sword those who do evil. Lastly, in Acts when Peter and John are commanded to stop preaching by the “authorities,” they stated, “we will obey God rather than man.” The teaching on authority needs to be understood in its totality, not outside the context of the rest of the New Testament. Of course, an atheist is highly unlikely to accept this reasonable approach.

We are to submit to secular authority, unless that authority conflicts with God’s authority, then we submit to God’s authority and suffer the consequences from the secular authority.

So, you can take your pick: answer a fool according to his folly, or don’t (Prov 26:4-5). BTW, that’s another “contradiction” atheists love to point out, but it’s merely a figure of speech that simply means, “darned if you do, darned if you don’t.” This illustrates the ridiculous lengths atheists go to in order to find “contradictions.”
 
I think that Governments get their authority from God. Note John 19:10-11
10 Pilate therefore said to him, “You will not speak to me? Do you not know that I have power to release you, and power to crucify you?” 11* Jesus answered him, “You would have no power over me unless it had been given you from above; therefore he who delivered me to you has the greater sin.”
 
I agree with some of the others. If it’s God’s will that we obey the authorities, then how are you not serving Him by obeying the authorities (barring them violating one of God’s laws). And I second the spouse analogy. Or parent-child. Or even neighbor-neighbor. We serve God by serving neighbor. Didn’t God say “Saul, why do you persecute ME.”

It’s the same logic of “I confess my sins straight to God. I don’t need a priest.” Sometimes atheists (and some good Protestants) are unable to see the operation of God at work beyond Him being limited to the big invisible Guy in the sky. :rolleyes:
 
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