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[John_Larocque]

I doubt any of those three figures believed that Christ only had a divine nature. I know that Severus certainly did not.

OrthodoxWiki repeatedly refers to Severus as “non-Chalcedonian” in theology. In Byzantine Theology by Fr. Meyendorff, he lists Severus as a “monoenergist” and the great theologian of the Monophysites.

Severus, their great theologian, admitted duality in Christ’s being, but for him this duality was a duality “in imagination,” while “in actuality” there was only one nature, or being. This position leads directly to Monoenergism. “One is the agent,” writes Severus, “and one is the activity.”

 

[Mickey]

Evidence of absence is something rather hard to come by.

Agreed!

Do you think there was no structured Liturgy before the 4th century? I am prone to believe that some “form” of the Liturgy of St James was used prior to this date.

But of course I have no evidence.

 

[agiosotheos]

OrthodoxWiki repeatedly refers to Severus as “non-Chalcedonian” in theology. In Byzantine Theology by Fr. Meyendorff, he lists Severus as a “monoenergist” and the great theologian of the Monophysites.

That has nothing to do with what I addressed. Yes, he was Non-Chalcedonian in theology. Yes, he believed in one nature and one will in Christ. But that doesn’t mean that he believed that Christ had only a divine nature.

 

[agiosotheos]

Agreed!

Do you think there was no structured Liturgy before the 4th century? I am prone to believe that some “form” of the Liturgy of St James was used prior to this date.

But of course I have no evidence.

I think there was no structured liturgy before the 3rd century. However, I would not be surprised if there was some primitive form or ancestor of the Liturgy of James present beginning in the 3rd century.

 

[Wildkit]

I think there was no structured liturgy before the 3rd century. However, I would not be surprised if there was some primitive form or ancestor of the Liturgy of James present beginning in the 3rd century.

I believe it was in the 2’nd century,…but what does it matter?

 

[agiosotheos]

I believe it was in the 2’nd century,…but what does it matter?

You believe what was the second century?

 

[John_Larocque]

That has nothing to do with what I addressed. Yes, he was Non-Chalcedonian in theology. Yes, he believed in one nature and one will in Christ. But that doesn’t mean that he believed that Christ had only a divine nature.

You’re going to be on thin grounds if you’re attempting to defend his orthodoxy here. If you believe that Christ’s divine nature swallowed up his human nature much like sugar dissolving into water, you are a Monophysite. Why do you think that the position of the Orthodox church is heretical?

The section on Chalcedon here is fascinating:
ewtn.com/library/THEOLOGY/KUNGINF.htm

 

[agiosotheos]

You’re going to be on thin grounds if you’re attempting to defend his orthodoxy here. If you believe that Christ’s divine nature swallowed up his human nature much like sugar dissolving into water, you are a Monophysite. Why do you think that the position of the Orthodox church is heretical?

This is a fascinating document:
ewtn.com/library/THEOLOGY/KUNGINF.htm

Severus never said that Christ’s humanity was swallowed up by His divinity.

 

[agiosotheos]

Why do you think that the position of the Orthodox church is heretical?

What do you mean?