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Rome tells Anglicans: it's time to decide if you are Protestants or Catholics
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Lilyflower
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Anglicans traditionally like to sit on the fence with one leg dangling on one side and one leg dangling on the other.
If they were forced into putting both legs on one side or the other, they would probably choose ‘no legs!’
Blessings and peace
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cbrownell
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I honestly cannot for the life of me understand what they are holding on to. I belonged to an Anglo-Catholic parish before being accepted into the Church on Easter Vigil. I grew up in the Episcopal Church. My grandmother was born in England, but I would venture to say that my background is more English than most of the parishoners at my former church. Can someone explain this to me? Because it seems like some very un-Christian attitudes that keep Anglican churches there (such as fear or love of money and property). As Fr. Bergman of the St. Thomas More Society said on Journey Home, “Come on over!” **
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pro_organo
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The difficulty with the cardinal’s very reasonable challenge is that the Church of England as such can’t meet it because England and its national church are anti-Catholic by statute. The Acts of Supremacy and Uniformity are still on the books; that’s why the current prime minister, acting in the Queen’s name, appoints the bishops.
The enduring problems of the Church of England or Ecclesia Anglicana, & hence of the Anglican communion, are, first, schism, inaugurated by Henry VIII, and second, the resulting confusion of church and state. It doesn’t matter what individual Anglicans think about the apostolicity of their orders or the catholicity of their liturgy because under current law the last word in all such matters rests with parliament, and in any case, other Anglicans will disagree with them, and the Church of England will continue to be governed by the politics of the moment.
Speaking as a cradle Anglican now a Catholic, I know that high-church or Anglo-Catholic Anglicans are, most of them, waiting for the church-state marriage to be dissolved and for talks of return to Rome to begin. The Protestant wing of the C of E wants no such thing, and will always torpedo any effort in that direction by coming up with some new theological outrage.
Anyway, my conclusion was to become a real rather than an Anglo Catholic. But I’ll always be grateful to the Church of England for setting me on that path in the first place.
The enduring problems of the Church of England or Ecclesia Anglicana, & hence of the Anglican communion, are, first, schism, inaugurated by Henry VIII, and second, the resulting confusion of church and state. It doesn’t matter what individual Anglicans think about the apostolicity of their orders or the catholicity of their liturgy because under current law the last word in all such matters rests with parliament, and in any case, other Anglicans will disagree with them, and the Church of England will continue to be governed by the politics of the moment.
Speaking as a cradle Anglican now a Catholic, I know that high-church or Anglo-Catholic Anglicans are, most of them, waiting for the church-state marriage to be dissolved and for talks of return to Rome to begin. The Protestant wing of the C of E wants no such thing, and will always torpedo any effort in that direction by coming up with some new theological outrage.
Anyway, my conclusion was to become a real rather than an Anglo Catholic. But I’ll always be grateful to the Church of England for setting me on that path in the first place.
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If being Catholic means that Anglicans must conform to the authority of Rome and the Pope, then no thanks. I will gladly choose being called a Protestant.
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My Name is Robert and I am an Angilcan I have a copy of The Angilcan prayer book and no where is recorded that the Angilcan Church is Protestant but it does say we hold the Catholic Faith in faith and truth.**When the King James Version of the Bible was translated in was translated from the latin vulgate and not from calivin or john knox.
As to The Blessed Mother Teresa quote we all hold her dearly for her work amongst the poor .But we must remember that OUR LORD broke the bread and offered to his desciples and passed it onto their hands saying this my BODY so I cannot see this a sin
if we want to take it this way but I always received in directly into my mouth or as the priest was directed to do by the participant
into my hand at times.Saying take an eat it by faith and I always acknowleged this by receiving it with the sign of the cross there is not rule in how angilcans receive the SCARAMENTS but left up to the indivdual.
The wors Angilcan comes from the LATIN ANGLIZE or to make catholic it does not interperate into protestant so I can see no troulbe in the called to clear the air and publicly saying it is CATHOLIC
My Name is Robert and I am an Angilcan I have a copy of The Angilcan prayer book and no where is recorded that the Angilcan Church is Protestant but it does say we hold the Catholic Faith in faith and truth.**When the King James Version of the Bible was translated in was translated from the latin vulgate and not from calivin or john knox.
As to The Blessed Mother Teresa quote we all hold her dearly for her work amongst the poor .But we must remember that OUR LORD broke the bread and offered to his desciples and passed it onto their hands saying this my BODY so I cannot see this a sin
if we want to take it this way but I always received in directly into my mouth or as the priest was directed to do by the participant
into my hand at times.Saying take an eat it by faith and I always acknowleged this by receiving it with the sign of the cross there is not rule in how angilcans receive the SCARAMENTS but left up to the indivdual.
The wors Angilcan comes from the LATIN ANGLIZE or to make catholic it does not interperate into protestant so I can see no troulbe in the called to clear the air and publicly saying it is CATHOLIC
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cbrownell
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I am not talking about the ones who are happily Episcopalian. I am talking about the ones who claim to have the True Presence, who pray for the Pope each Sunday, who are devoted to Mary, and teach a class on the Catechism during Sunday School. Why would they play at being Catholic like that? Am I correct that the obvious answer is that they have impure motives? I never got a clear answer from any of the clergy when I left my church (which is as described above). I did get accused of “abandoning” one of the priests, although the other one was very supportive of my decision. Someone also told me that he has a Catholic priest as his confessor. WTHeck? The Pope is absolutely correct in saying that it’s time to fish or cut bait.
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natsclem
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Why don’t we just accept the fact that the birth of Anglicanism was infidelity to holy matrimony of the once proclaimed as Catholic Defender.
If you want to subscribe to and follow for good that tradition, that is your option–an option that certainly will not lead to heaven. The Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven is with the Chair of Peter. Apart from the Chair of Peter, there is no assurance of salvation.
We hope that you attain salvation in some other ways…but guarantee? There is no guarantee.
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jay29
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To the Arch Druid of Canterbury and the Queen of England, far less than St. Peter.
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natsclem
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To whose authority do you conform? Your own pastor or your own authority? Who gave authority to your pastor? Another pastor? Who gave authority to that pastor who gave authority to your own pastor? You may probably end up with Luther, Calvin, Wesley, or Henry VIII…as the giver of authority. Are they not usurpers of authority singularly given to Apostle Peter–they Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven? Can you provide a biblical passage by which they receive apostolic authority?
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pro_organo
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Yes, Prots. of all kinds, Anglicans included, bring up Papal infallibility as the big stumbling block. All I can say is that the very carefully defined, limited, hedged dogma of papal infallibility gives me no trouble at all, based as it is on the words of Our Lord.
Our Lord, though, did not leave the administration of His Church in the hands of King Herod and his successors. That, though, is what the appointment of the Church of England’s bishops by prime ministers–or Queens–implies, and it pretty much defines that Church as a department of state.
Our Lord, though, did not leave the administration of His Church in the hands of King Herod and his successors. That, though, is what the appointment of the Church of England’s bishops by prime ministers–or Queens–implies, and it pretty much defines that Church as a department of state.
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thirdn6
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Some, both Anglicans and Catholics I think, actually chose to be choppedAnglicans traditionally like to sit on the fence with one leg dangling on one side and one leg dangling on the other.
If they were forced into putting both legs on one side or the other, they would probably choose ‘no legs!’
Blessings and peace
uch: - but not their legs! But that was way back then…
So in case, any of these Anglicans, for whatever reason, fall from the fence will you, as Catholic, be willing to catch them as it seems that the Abp of Westminster is very aloof in doing so?
Seriously, I think they’ll come in one by one… by one… for it is the humility and sincerity of the heart that the Lord seeks.
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thirdn6
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They’re but false teachers- nothing else. They came in shepherd’s clothing to separate the flock. And others still are. In our midst…
And, oh, I
… everytime I hear them say “… once delivered to the saints.”
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Gottle_of_Geer
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**But other RCs are forever objecting to any doctrine of “assurance of salvation”. So how is one any worse off as an Anglican ? **
**I think that the Churchly approach is the wrong away around entirely: no group of men, but only Christ, saves. By working through “the Church”, no doubt - but that does not constitute “the Church” ****(howsoever ****understood) as the Saviour. **
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Lepanto
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All that = the ancient heresy of caesaropapism.
One of the historical hallmarks of Protestantism is the subjugation (or the marginilization) of religion by the state.
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thirdn6
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How u doing G of G?
The Lord Jesus Christ is the ONLY Saviour. He is the ONLY Redeemer. He is the ONLY Son of God- the ONLYMediator between God and man.
But didn’t He establish His Church so that through it we can receive the holy sacraments for our individual sanctification? Why did He commission His Apostles to go to all nations and baptise all men, and at the same time to observe all things that He have commanded them? The Church is necessary for salvation. Without it who is going to baptise people? Who is going to forgive us our misgivings and sins if there are no priests? Who is going to give us holy communion? Why did He say if a brother commits a mistake we ought to bring him to the church? Why did St Paul consider Him the head of the body- the church? Why, if you seem to imply that the church is irrelevant to attaining salvation? Or maybe I misunderstood you… again.
Sorry… I didn’t mean to derail the thread…
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