Rome tells Anglicans: it's time to decide if you are Protestants or Catholics

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chris_molter said:
I suppose, if you’re bound and determined to see it from that POV. :rolleyes:

Of course, at that point, Orthodoxy could be in the deep end with the EP and his allies vs the Russians and theirs. All the dirty laundry would come out, anathemas would be hurled, and communions broken. Old Calendarist redux.

I don’t think anyone wants that. Not y’all. Not Rome. Not me.

Whether we like it or not, we’re going to end up in communion eventually (decades or centuries from now, probably). Better to start working on the project now than to wait for the boss to show up and get all mad at us for not doing what we were supposed to while he was on lunch break 😉
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I actually agree with you, and has at times defended the idea that the local Church under Rome has a valid Eucharist (I prostrate if I happen to go in when there is adoration). But that’s my personal theologoumen.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
I actually agree with you, and has at times defended the idea that the local Church under Rome has a valid Eucharist (I prostrate if I happen to go in when there is adoration). But that’s my personal theologoumen.
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That warms my heart to hear! 🙂
 
Has Cardinal kaspar not read the 39 articles of Religion or mixed with those who remain faithful to the legacy of Cranmer. Does he honestly believe the Anglican Communion will rid its self of 9,000 women priests/deacons and 19 women bishops …and over 456 men ordained by women!

It’s’time the Vatican also to declare its hand and stop equivocating. In Engalnd Anglican womenpriests are giving sermons in Catholic Churches and the local ecumenical scene is full steam ahead. This should be stopped.
 
You all just need to mind your own business. Talk about anti-catholic rhetoric and everyone gets all misty eyed and feeling like a victim. Talk about Anglicanism and you pull out the Catholic Dogma big guns. Sorry, Anglicans DON’T CARE.
 
kemushi said:
You all just need to mind your own business. Talk about anti-catholic rhetoric and everyone gets all misty eyed and feeling like a victim. Talk about Anglicanism and you pull out the Catholic Dogma big guns. Sorry, Anglicans DON’T CARE.
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That’s sweet. But you’re wrong. Anglicans DO care. Well. SOME, anyway. Otherwise what are they doing on CAF… proselytizing?? 😉
 
chris_molter said:
That’s sweet. But you’re wrong. Anglicans DO care. Well. SOME, anyway. Otherwise what are they doing on CAF… proselytizing?? 😉
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Personally, I like to talk. And, long ago, the very first post I made anywhere, was trying to explain Anglicanism to some very nice RCs who didn’t have a clue. I don’t try to make a RC think like an Anglican. But sometimes I try to show how an Anglican thinks.

GKC
 
GKC said:
Personally, I like to talk. And, long ago, the very first post I made anywhere, was trying to explain Anglicanism to some very nice RCs who didn’t have a clue. I don’t try to make a RC think like an Anglican. But sometimes I try to show how an Anglican thinks.

GKC
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It very much has a sort of Lewis/Tolkien feel to it when ‘classical/traditional’ (read: Oxford Movement) Anglicans and Anglo-Romans sit down to chat. I think God created quaint dark little pubs and stout expressly for that purpose.
 
chris_molter said:
It very much has a sort of Lewis/Tolkien feel to it when ‘classical/traditional’ (read: Oxford Movement) Anglicans and Anglo-Romans sit down to chat. I think God created quaint dark little pubs and stout expressly for that purpose.
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Did I mention that I’ve collected and studied Tolkien and Lewis (among others) for around 45 years? Both of them (and my man Chesterton) helped form me, starting back in college.

GKC
 
chris_molter said:
It very much has a sort of Lewis/Tolkien feel to it when ‘classical/traditional’ (read: Oxford Movement) Anglicans and Anglo-Romans sit down to chat. I think God created quaint dark little pubs and stout expressly for that purpose.
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I’m in the third booth from the back on the right hand side. C’mon over. I’m having a Bass.
 
Lepanto said:
The Vatican said last night that the time has come for the Anglican Church to choose between Protestantism and the ancient sacramental Churches of Rome and Orthodoxy.

Cardinal Walter Kasper, president of the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity, told the Catholic Herald that the Anglican Communion must “clarify its identity” and stop hovering between the Catholic and Protestant traditions.

He said: “Ultimately, it is a question of the identity of the Anglican Church. Where does it belong? Does it belong more to the Churches of the first millennium – Catholic and Orthodox – or does it belong more to the Protestant churches of the 16th century?

Full articles:

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/ukcorrespondents/holysmoke/may2008/rometellsanglicanstodecide.htm

catholicherald.co.uk/articles/a0000273.shtml
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Authentic Anglicanism IS reasserting its identity. Just Google GAFCON. GAFCON was a meeting held in Jerusalem this summer to show the world who the REAL Anglicans are. Please read the “Jerusalem Declaration” issued by the Bishops who met at GAFCON, this is the real deal on what Anglican Christianity is. The Liberal whack-nuts in the UK and USA and Canada DO NOT represent or speak for the majority of those in the worldwide Anglican Communion. Sign me “Catholic, but not Roman”
 
katze said:
Authentic Anglicanism IS reasserting its identity. Just Google GAFCON. GAFCON was a meeting held in Jerusalem this summer to show the world who the REAL Anglicans are. Please read the “Jerusalem Declaration” issued by the Bishops who met at GAFCON, this is the real deal on what Anglican Christianity is.
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A lot of ‘Authentic Anglicans’ would disagree with you and are quite wary (with good reason) of GAFCON.

I think there’s going to be some real nasty infighting when it starts coming down to brass tacks. The Anglo-Catholics will not accept women’s ordination, period. Nor are they thrilled about the anti-sacramentalism inherent in much of what passes for Anglican evangelicalism (example: Diocese of Sydney). I really DO hope and pray that in the rush to defend Anglicanism against the postmodern secularists in TEC, England, and Canada, they don’t define Anglicanism down so narrowly as to splinter it further.
 
chris_molter said:
A lot of ‘Authentic Anglicans’ would disagree with you and are quite wary (with good reason) of GAFCON.

I think there’s going to be some real nasty infighting when it starts coming down to brass tacks. The Anglo-Catholics will not accept women’s ordination, period. Nor are they thrilled about the anti-sacramentalism inherent in much of what passes for Anglican evangelicalism (example: Diocese of Sydney). I really DO hope and pray that in the rush to defend Anglicanism against the postmodern secularists in TEC, England, and Canada, they don’t define Anglicanism down so narrowly as to splinter it further.
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My Anglican group, The Reformed Episcopal Church was a part of GAFCON, our Presiding Bishop and three or four of our other Bishops attended with full voting status and at the invitation of GAFCON. The participating Anglican Provinces and Bishops at GAFCON REJECT Women’s Ordination and Gay Clergy and same sex unions. You mention “anti-Sacramentalism”, please explain what you mean by that term. As an Anglican I accept the Sacraments, they form the very fabric of the Anglican Way. The Anglican world view is Sacramental much like the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox, unlike most “Evangelical Christians” who seem almost Gnostic in some ways.

Sign me “Catholic, but not Roman”.
 
katze said:
My Anglican group, The Reformed Episcopal Church was a part of GAFCON, our Presiding Bishop and three or four of our other Bishops attended with full voting status and at the invitation of GAFCON. The participating Anglican Provinces and Bishops at GAFCON REJECT Women’s Ordination and Gay Clergy and same sex unions. You mention “anti-Sacramentalism”, please explain what you mean by that term. As an Anglican I accept the Sacraments, they form the very fabric of the Anglican Way. The Anglican world view is Sacramental much like the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox, unlike most “Evangelical Christians” who seem almost Gnostic in some ways.

Sign me “Catholic, but not Roman”.
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When you sign “Catholic but not Roman” around here, you will be taken for a Ruthenian, Melkite, Maronite, Ukranian . . . etc., all “Catholic” and all in communion with Rome. So, you’re stuck with the small “c” if you want to go that route.

BTDT got the t-shirt.
 
mercygate said:
When you sign “Catholic but not Roman” around here, you will be taken for a Ruthenian, Melkite, Maronite, Ukranian . . . etc., all “Catholic” and all in communion with Rome. So, you’re stuck with the small “c” if you want to go that route.

BTDT got the t-shirt.
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Not necessarily. Any Catholic in communion with Rome would agree. Any Anglican Catholic would disagree. Which is part of our differences.

GKC

Anglicanus Catholicus
 
GKC said:
Not necessarily. Any Catholic in communion with Rome would agree. Any Anglican Catholic would disagree. Which is part of our differences.

GKC

Anglicanus Catholicus
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Maybe it shows how far gone I was as an Anglican, but I never spelled “catholic” with a capital “C” (except after the hyphen in Anglo-) when I was an Anglican. But that is a matter of consensus rather than doctrine. I never referred to the ROMAN Catholic Church with that kind of disdain you sometimes catch from the more touchy A-C types.
 
mercygate said:
Maybe it shows how far gone I was as an Anglican, but I never spelled “catholic” with a capital “C” (except after the hyphen in Anglo-) when I was an Anglican. But that is a matter of consensus rather than doctrine. I never referred to the ROMAN Catholic Church with that kind of disdain you sometimes catch from the more touchy A-C types.
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No disdain here. Just terminological exactitude.

Remember how it’s spelled in the 1928 Book of Common Prayer, in the Nicene Creed? That’s how we do it.

GKC
 
GKC said:
No disdain here. Just terminological exactitude.

Remember how it’s spelled in the 1928 Book of Common Prayer, in the Nicene Creed? That’s how we do it.

GKC
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LOL. Like the ROMISH doctrine of Purgatory . . . repugnant to the word of God? (distinct, of course from the ANGLICAN doctrine of Purgatory, which is perfectly aligned with the Apostolic faith.

Them was the days. 🙂 The Anglican experience made me Catholic.
 
mercygate said:
LOL. Like the ROMISH doctrine of Purgatory . . . repugnant to the word of God? (distinct, of course from the ANGLICAN doctrine of Purgatory, which is perfectly aligned with the Apostolic faith.

Them was the days. 🙂 The Anglican experience made me Catholic.
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Good heavens. Do not confuse the Creed, of the undivided Church, with those 39 things in the back of the book, left over from Liz’s day. What do you think I have to do with those historical expressions? Check my recent exchanges with katze.

My experiences made me Catholic, too. Life does that, sometimes.

GKC

Anglicanus Catholicus

Added, since my memory is slow. Some years back, on another board, in a very protracted exchange with a 5 point Calvinist, I was able, with much effort, to get him to stop using Romish, Romanish, and etc. Good for me.
 
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